Joseph Parker – Under Achiever, Or Just Not That Good?

Thought Fa was ranked?

 

DubbleChin likes Ring Rankings.
Fa was ranked by one of the orgs, but was closer to a top 40 resume wise.
Chisora was also still generally regarded a top 15 guy in their last fight though. Personally I didn't find the win controversial and it won't even be close this time. Take away the flash KD in the first round, and it was a straight forward win.

But I agree with DubbleChin in that Parker is treading water and needs to start mixing it up with a fellow top 10 fighter, but even with that spider bite putting him out of action, he has a better reason to be in the Ring rankings than Ortiz#7, Joyce#8, Hrgovic#9 and Sanchez#10.

So in conclusion not sure exactly why people take issue with Parker.

 

They take issue because for years he has performed below potential

We all pray it is about to change....

 

I feel like he's been 29 years old for the last 6 years.

 

I said if he loses Saturday, he should be bounced from the Ring ratings.

If Ortiz loses to Martin, he should be bounced.

Hell, Hunter drew and he was just bounced and rightfully so.

I don't have a problem with them adding fighters on the rise to the lower half of the ratings.

Sanchez just floored and beat Ajagba. Joyce knocked off the unbeaten Dubois.

If Parker loses to the unrated Chisora Saturday, he doesn't deserve to be rated above them.

There is a new wave coming up. They deserve some shots.

 

I always liked JP and think he's one of the better sports in the HW div. Maybe too good.

A few tears apart I watched his The Gloves are Off with Whyte 2X. Whyte was constantly baiting Joseph throughout the interview with Johnny Nelson as the host. Whyte tried to pass off his KO loss to AJ as better then JPs decision loss, trying to say JP was too cautious - implying a coward. JP mostly grinned at Whyte and had good comebacks to Whyte's constant BS. Whyte never got JP to get in the mud with him.

 

Which is funny because you praise Ortiz for losing to Wilder twice, and seem to think he belongs in the top ten.

 

Didn't read.

 

You make some fair points here.
However Dillian went life and death w/ Chisora twice and was KTFO by pensioner Povetkin.
Chisora has many losses - some that could've been draws or even a W - but he's been in there with the best during his career.

If Parker beats Chisora again, he's even with Whyte. And Whyte just edged Parker in their bout... another 1, maybe 2 minutes and Whyte very likely was stopped.

 

I guess we see things a little different, the Ring Rankings I thought was meant to represent the best of the best. So, I would prefer fighters were in there based on achievement and less on fan favouritism...otherwise it's just a marketing tool (cough, cough)

Sanchez beat an absolute show-pony in Ajagba. And to say he floored Ajagba is quite generous. More like he knocked over a guy that was taking a knee. The referee even indicated it wasn't a KD, I don't know why they scored it. But it was an solid win. Still, beating Ajagba doesn't make you a top 10 contender. That's just hype.

Joyce is more deserving due to his consistency of grinding down all that are put in front of him. But I don't rate the Dubois victory very highly beyond upsetting Warren's plans for his young fighter. Dubois was way too green to be in with someone like Joyce. It's still a good win, but make no mistake had it not been for the eye injury, Warren had the robbery already in place.

Hrgovic...I understand he is finding it difficult to get fights, but what has he done to be ranked top 10? Does calling out the top ten but not fighting anyone in the top 30 get you ranked now?

You touched on this, but why isn't Helenius in their rankings? He beat Kownacki (who was in their top 10) in dominant fashion twice. So this idea that Chisora is unranked really doesn't mean much if the Ring keep gifting fighters rankings based on hype. And if they are using Hunter's standard of fighting a series of barely top 100 fighters to maintain his ranking the last two years, then I think Parker will be fine even if he loses.

I highly doubt he loses though.

 

Chisora is a gatekeeper. Chisora isn't rated in the top 10 by ANYONE. Chisora is not a top 10 contender. He stopped being one SEVEN OR EIGHT LOSSES AGO. He's a journeyman. If Parker loses to the JOURNEYMAN Chisora, Parker doesn't deserve to be rated in the top 10.

Parker gains NOTHING from beating Chisora. But a loss or a draw should bounce him out of the top 10.

 

Whilst I agree that this fight is completely unnecessary and being forced upon Parker because Chisora's hardcore (matchroom) fans insist he was hard done by. Your whole argument suggests you don't think Parker deserves his spot in the top 10, time for new blood etc. etc.

But, I never said Chisora was a top 10 contender. What I am saying though, is being in the ring rankings doesn't mean diddly squat. It's a marketing gimmick.
When you look at computer based rankings, Chisora has been a top 15 fighter for years. Another example would be the rankings produced by people voting on the boxrec forum, a consensus vote that has also recognized Chisora as top 15 for years.

But I agree Chisora is a high-end gatekeeper. If you lose to him you shouldn't really be in any legitimate top 10. So, maybe that is who Joyce, Sanchez and Hrgovic should be trying to fight next. Rather than old-Takam, show-pony Ajagba, and god knows who.

 

When Parker was coming up, Takam was the high-end gatekeeper

Today it is Chisora. Unless these guys can beat Delboy, they should not be in the Top 10

 

Frank Sanchez fighting undefeated KO artist Efe Ajagba and Joe Joyce beating undefeated KO artist Daniel Dubois is better than fighting an old journeyman who everyone has beaten.

Boxers on the rise, undefeated guys, fighting other boxers on the rise is good.

For the life of me I don't know why you guys are so hung up on Chisora. Nobody outside of England cares. Everyone and their brother doesn't have to beat Chisora.

Every time Hearn announces someone else is fighting Chisora, I cringe. It's a waste of training camp at this point.

Joseph Parker shouldn't be fighting Chisora twice. He shouldn't have fought him at all.

If Joseph Parker had knocked out the undefeated Daniel Dubois and beat the undefeated Ajagba ... maybe Parker would be fighting the World Champ Fury next ... and not the unranked Chisora again.

Ajagba and Dubois both had a lot of heat and a lot of TV exposure. Beating them boosted Joyce and Sanchez.

Parker gains nothing fighting guys like Chisora.

 

100% agreed with all of your points. Chisora is the gatekeeper to the top 10 of the division, and other guys fighting and beating prospects and tougher fighters deserve the higher ranking.