Joseph Parker brutalizes Joe Frazier.

Lerena is 6-1, 230-35 pounds, he is not the same size as Joe Frazier. Lerena is bigger than any 70s contender other than Mathis (just look at the difference in the lean, strong Lerena and the fat Mathis). If size didn't matter there wouldn't be weight classes and if PEDs didn't help fighters wouldn't take them. JF as he was at his best in the 70s was maybe 5-11, and around 205. Lerena is 6-1, 230-35 with much less body fat than JF was carrying. You can say, "give JF what these guys are taking..." but that's not the question, it is JF as he was vs. Joseph Parker as he is now. Matching them as they were/are, not many would bet on JF.

 

If a fat Dillian Whyte can be competitive vs Parker, i will take Frazier over Parker any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Let's also not forget a 213 lb Michael Hunter stopping the "moster" in 256 lb Martin Bakole.

 

If a fat Buster Mattis and medicore Joe Bugner can be competitive with Frazier then I'm sorry I don't think he'd do well against modern HWs

 

Half of this sub seems like a 70s vs modern heavyweights thing.

 

Joe Bugner was not a mediocre fighter.

 

Aka myth vs reality

 

So what? People can be wrong. Go back a few years when people were saying a 220 lb Usyk was too small for Joshua. The posters on these forums (especially general forum) poster don't exactly have a great track record of predictions.

 

Hi Buddy.
You have nether said a truer word re: the 70s, and I am as guilty as the next 65 to 70 year old, there seems to be something about that decade that we will not consider the fact that were better, greater, fighters after then, well I mean we do, but grudgingly, is it the same with posters that " grew " up with fighters of the 60s/80s/90s/00s/ etc, are we full of nostalgia, because we were young, free, and in my case single in the 70s, does that influence our judgement, it shouldn't, but does it, or are we right inso much as, Ali/Foster/Monzon/Napoles/Duran/Olivares/Ohba/ are and will forever be atg, and do we bulk at suggestions their counterparts in the ensuing years could beat them ? this could be Freudian .
stay safe ct, chat soon buddy.
Mike.

 

Hi Buddy.
Nail and head, you are onto something my friend, your not just a pretty face, with your permission I will also say that up till 1969 I had only read about the fighters I mentioned, with the exception of Ali, so to see Napoles, Olivares, etc, was truly mind blowing for a young fight fan like myself, changed my life forever, so yea, as Mary Hopkin said " those were the days... "
always look to be educated and informed, when your name lights up my PC, no argument.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.
Mike.

 

Parker, king of split and majority decisions over Ruiz, Hughie Fury, Zhang and Chisora. He's fat though.

vs the guy who beat the GOAT and most people's number 1 H2H Heavyweight. He's 205 lbs though.

I wonder.

 

Lard wins.

 

Lerena was never a power puncher and less skilled than Frazier on the front foot, he's basic and had Dubois backing up all night because Dubois knew he could be hurt, thats all it takes. SHWs don't typically try and run all their smaller opponents over just like Parker didn't try and maul 213 pound Jack Massey from the opening bell and when he tried he didn't have much success doing it, Parker even got rocked in that fight, yet he's destroyed much bigger fighters so make that make sense

Parker is literally the easier style match for Frazier out of all of the super heavyweights. I would bet on Frazier absolutely.

 

It's understandable. It's just that the shift has come so quickly.

I am even just comparing to when I joined like 6 months ago.

 

I'm happy to take credit for that shift (jk jk)

 

I think you played part to be fair