Joseph Parker gets sent to the 1960s, does he clear the the lot ? (Boxing Evolution Theory)

that’s what I came to post. We ran this experiment in real life. It showed the whole boxing evolution theory doesn’t work for certain time periods. Foreman showed that, nope, the later guys don't actually hit any harder, and that an elite puncher is an elite puncher. Holmes showed that, nope, the later guys weren’t more advanced in terms of technique.

and, actually, Holyfield ran this one forward himself, eventually fighting as far out of his own era as Holmes and Foreman did. This one seems forgotten, but check out his boxrec. He fought into the same old age they did.

 

yep. Usyk basically vindicates Ali. The best of the modern era is basically identical to Ali in all physical dimensions, yet somehow Ali couldn’t compete? Makes no sense.

Iirc, even their fists are the same size. It’s almost uncanny. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re the same shoe size too. Funny how that works. (And I’m sure something Usyk has always known and been amused by).

 

its just shocking to me that so many people believe that boxing evolution is endless.

Gloved boxing has existed for 68 years before Ali turned pro. That is ample time for evolution of punching and defensive techniques.

What punching techniques do people have today that they didn't 50 years ago that allow them to punch harder? Have they grown an extra arm that allows them to hit harder?

 

Same Birthday too?

I’m not sure if I read that.


But how could one guy dominate, where the other couldn’t even have competed?

It’s completely and utterly illogical.


We’ve also seen the limitations of AJ, Parker and Fury.

So how on earth would they have been able to have all dominated the entire 60’s, 70’s and 80’s??
Absolutely bizarre.


I can only assume that Kiwi is trolling for a joke.

 

Those types of fans who push the evolution theory are simply clueless.

You can obliterate their theory in seconds, just by looking at who fights today.

We can clearly see that there’s whole divisions today that are completely inferior to many, many divisions of the past, from decades and decades ago.

 

Parker is lightening fast and co-ordinated, but Ali would genuinely make him look slow and cumbersome, Parker would have to impose himself, it’s a win for Ali.

As for Liston, there are a few unknowns, he could box, but was flat footed and struggled to pin down a good mover, Parker can box better than Liston and is quicker, and if Liston does manage to get in range, Parker is like genuinely 50lbs bigger as of Parker’s current weight, so the question would be, can Parker simply grab Liston so he can’t get anything done?

Sized up I would pick Liston with relative certainty, I just think Liston’s strengths are largely nerfed when fighting someone, not slightly heavier, but 50lbs heavier when that 50lbs bigger guy can box, it meant Liston has to get into range, but then the 50lbs heavier guy may just be able to tie him up.

But I’m not making any definitive predictions on that one.

 

you’re right, I looked it up. Same birthday too. I wonder what Ali would think of all this. Probably crack up. “So a guy born on my birthday, identical to me on a tale of the tape, is the best of his era? Awesome. Wait, he’s WHITE?” Hahaha.

I do think the thread is a bit of a troll. Although Parker would do pretty well in Ali’s era. He’s a big guy and pretty skilled.

 

The problem with the 50 lbs bigger theory is we haven't see how well Parker can perform weighing 267 lbs vs anyone good except for Bakole who took the fight at short notice.

We do not know if Parker can maintain a good work rate over 12 rounds weighing 267 lbs.

When Parker came in at his previous heaviest vs Joyce at 255 lbs, he noticeably slowed down as the fight progressed.

Parker is more of a natural 230-240 lbs guy. About 15-25 lbs naturally heavier than Liston which is substantial but not extraordinary substantial.

Perhaps Parker can now fight at 267 lbs and maintain good stamina for 12 rounds but until he demonstrates that vs Usyk or Kabayel or anyone good, we can't assume he can carry that weight over 12 rounds.

I also do not think Parker is lightning fast. Lightning fast would be Ali or prime Mike Tyson. Even Larry Holmes wasn't lightning fast but was clearly quicker than Parker. Parker has good speed but on a scale from 1-10, i would give it a 7.

 

Not this old nonsense again. Big is better ?so in the future HW's will look like sumo wrestlers? . Total BS

 

Good post.

But Parker isn’t lightening fast.

And what on earth has he done, for someone to believe that he could have dominated the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s?

He can’t dominate this era. And he’s had close fights with Ruiz and Fury, and has lost to AJ.

It simply has to be a troll thread for some amusement.

 

I think Parker has put on some muscle, how he did it I’m not sure, but he looked in better shape against Bakole than he did against Joyce despite the weight and he also didn’t look as flat footed against Bakole (comparing the early rounds against Bakole to the early rounds against Joyce) and he also looked a lot more explosive against Bakole, obviously we don’t know how he’d carry it into the later rounds, but I don’t think him fading against Joyce is a definite representation of he’d carry the weight now.

 

Parker seems to be hitting his prime now let's see what he can do from here.

If he beats someone like Uysk this would be worth revisiting.

 

People haven't got so much bigger over a couple of generations because of genetic differences. It's things like nutrition, medicine, our understanding of exercise, etc. If Joe was born in the poverty of the forties to a poor family (few boxers then were born into money), he probably wouldn't be 6.4 and 270lbs. He'd be an average size heavyweight contender, as he is now

 

I imagine this a troll thread.