Joshua’s consistent ducking of Wilder and the Wilder-Whyte WBC saga explained

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  1. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    I'll just leave this here.

    @Redbeard7 is the alt for ShortRound (banned). Shortround was the alt for NEETshean (banned)

     
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  2. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    U are new in boxing or You just wake up from Coma?
    Dude offer from DAZN is fact not Eddie Hearn lie. I will tell You more. For Wilder ask (no idea why, he seems just hate guy) Eddie Hearn was not present on negotiation that day.
    Its not Hearn lie. Even Wilder team said that this offer was real. They got problem because they dont know how much Joshua will earn and they go other way.
    You must go Google and learn a little about that history because u seems like have no idea what u talking about.

    Fury in Wilder resume is 2 brutal loss and one draw (should be 3 loss because that draw was gift in many ppl opinion). You cant confront loss to victory over many top 10.

    Wilder only got 2 top 10 wins
    Stiverne and Ortiz. Both overrated and done nothing. U said Ortiz will beat Joshua? I said that's bull****. Ortiz best win is Martin and Jennings. He is even not close to Joshua beat wins.

    And still avoid Whyte is shame as f... No matter how bad You think Dillian was he still make Wilder quit best payday at that time and be proud as champion should be not cover behind WBC president.
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You’re giving his resume a boost by noting that he had 3 fights with Fury, but where he lost 2 and got a gift draw.

    And he’s had one of the best resumes of the last 20 years??

    Wilder hasn’t got a great resume, or a great group of wins.
     
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  4. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Somebody asked for evidence of Joshua ducking Wilder ! Joshua to his credit even admits it . Let’s recap,Hearn offered Wilder a take it or leave it one fight deal of a flat $15 million, Wilder and his backers countered with $50 million for the first fight and $30 million for the rematch,not only did Joshua duck,he ducked for far more than Wilder was offered !
    https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/461328/anthony-joshua-offer-deontay-wilder-highlights-dillian-whyte-https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/boxing/somebody-in-anthony-joshua-camp-didnt-want-wilder-fight-insists-warren/37216634.
    https://boxingafrica.com/2018/12/joshua-admits-wilders-50-million-offer-was-real/
    https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anthony-joshua-deontay-wilder-rob-https://www.*****.net/2019/02/17/anthony-joshua-deontay-wilder-guarantee/
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where is the actual evidence there?

    If you’re putting these up as evidence, then you need to read through them all first.

    Both AJ and a journalist, have both said that it wasn’t £50m when broken down, and that he had other obligations that prevented it.

    I mean it literally says that.

    If you don’t believe it, then that’s fine. But you can’t use this as evidence, whilst ignoring those specific bits that contradict what you’re claiming.
     
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  6. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua told Wilder he’d fight him for 50 million, Wilder got the deal put together and sent it to Hearn. Hearn then stated that the offer was “bogus” as no proof of funds were attached. Fury fights Wilder and it’s a draw,Barry Hearn takes to Twitter straight after saying Fury was robbed and that’s why they never accepted the 50 million offer from Wilders team. Hearn then back tracks when asked and said he never even bothered to ask for proof of funds. In those posts Joshua himself admits the deal was real then went on to fight Povetkin iirc. Povetkin was WBA mandatory for less than a year from December 2017 until he fought Joshua in September 2018,Joshua and Hearn could have made the Undisputed fight then had they wanted to and accepted the offer,Pulev and Usyk waited far longer for there mandatory fights .Pulev became IBF mandatory in October 2018 and fought Joshua in December 2020. Usyk became WBO mandatory in June 2019 and fought Joshua in September 2021
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know of the above.

    That doesn’t answer my questions though.

    According to multiple links that you have put forward, the offer was legit, but it was for significantly less after it was broken down, and it was asking for future obligations that couldn’t be committed to.

    That’s what it says.
     
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  8. steviebruno

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    This isn't remotely true and the OP has provided ample evidence to the contrary. AJ was nearly KO'd vs. Wlad and has been very calculated ever since, inside and outside of the ring.
     
  9. steviebruno

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    Do his parents have a really good marriage?
     
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  10. Redbeard7

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    We are not privy to the behind the scenes negotiations, all we can do is speculate based on known facts. Have you seen the contracts? Do you know what they said regarding home/A-side advantage and rematch clauses? We know for a fact that Hearn never offered 50-50, we also know that titlists Parker and Martin (and others) had to sign one-way rematch clauses. By beating Fury, Wilder would have raised his profile and his team would have been able to demand more equal or equal terms. Obviously it backfired but not before Joshua had already got destroyed by Ruiz.

    In a few years, this post-Klitschko era we've been in since 2015 may well be known as "The Fury era". If that's the case, Wilder may well go down as the 2nd best heavyweight of the era even if he never fights again, depending on how Fury gets on with Usyk. And if Fury gives Usyk a real hiding, people will start debating whether Usyk was actually much better than Cunningham lol. "Yeah he beat Joshua twice but Joshua got destroyed by that fat Mexican just before Usyk beat him, and Steve did give Fury a tougher test". Wilder's got three fights against the No.1 and is the only man who hasn't exclusively lost to him, including ATG Wlad and probably soon ATG Usyk too. He's also got three top 6 Ring wins against Ortiz x2 and Stiverne 1. Is that a bit sparse? Yes but there are many factors to consider. Vitali for instance arguably never beat anyone better than the fighters Wilder beat, Wilder's Fury draw is one of the best results of any active heavyweight and Vitali lost twice to two different men, with the Byrd loss an uncontroversial quitjob to a blown-up LHW. Yet a very large minority say Vitali's an ATG. Maybe he is, it's up to interpretation.

    "U said Ortiz will beat Joshua? I said that's bull****. Ortiz best win is Martin and Jennings."

    Who was Ruiz's best win when he splattered Joshua? You will avoid this question.

    Ortiz would have had a more impressive record if he hadn't been so heavily avoided until Wilder finally fought him. It's a major flaw in this "resume" obsession. Remember how many guys turned down a fight with Hrgovic, whose most impressive performance was a 5th round protested TKO over Rydell Booker. There was considerably more reason to fear Ortiz based on his performances than Hrgovic based on his.

    Whyte ducked the fight by not signing with PBC, as Wilder advised him to:

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/21/deon...ie-hearn-wants-wbc-world-title-fight-8369106/

    He'd have got a shot inside 12 months if he had, just as Ortiz did after he left Matchroom. Because Ortiz did actually want the fight.
     
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  11. Kiwi Casual

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    So from what I'm gathering is that AJ ducked Wilder because losing to Fury 2.5 times is better than TKOing Wladimir Klitschko.

    While we're at it, the moon is made of cheese and the earth is flat.
     
  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess Joshua didn't lose to a morbidly obese middleweight and a featherfisted cruiser x2. My mistake.
     
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  13. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Fury lost to McDermott, should have had a TKO loss to Otto Wallin and not to mentioned a failed a PED test.

    :SimpHomer:

    You might hate Joshua all you like, but he didn’t fail a drug test like the PED cheat.
     
  14. BlackDog

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    No, Wilder cant be 2 in his era without win over Joshua or Usyk. He got worse record and done much less than Joshua. U cant be best if You only was beaten by perhaps numero uno...

    Ortiz? He was never boogyman. He avoid few name on his carrer and in that list there is Joshua too (7 millions offer)...

    U can read Facts as u want. U can think Wilder who admit not take better fight its not guilty fight not happend. End of the day its Your problem not mine.
     
  15. Samart'sTeep

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    I don't get this. What are they even waiting for? I know British fans are loyal, but are they really going to keep paying to see Joshua fight the Jermaine Franklins and Robert Helenius of the world? This is the most appealing fight for both of them. People have wanted to see it for years. It has to be the most lucrative fight either can get at this point. I highly doubt Joshua wants to fight Zhang or Ruiz again. Just take the money fight while it still has some value left.

    Both guys could use a win like this to cement their legacies anyway. Wilder needs one actual good name on it, even if the guy is shopworn and past his best. Joshua is never going to the top heavyweight of this era like he wanted to be. But this would leave no doubt that he was a top 3 heavyweight of his era. He has a nice little resume with a lot of depth but this would help seal it with a solid win to end things. Is he really that afraid of Wilder's power?
     
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