Joshua a clear betting favourite to beat Ruiz

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  1. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ruiz should be favourite, I see AJ as the underdog.
     
  2. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables booted Full Member

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    This is going to be Price vs Thompson II all over again. Ruiz is Joshua's boogey man.

    100% going to stick a few quid for Ruiz to win by KO.

    All said and done it won't stop me from cheering on Anthony Joshua, home he brings them belts back home!!!
     
  3. Gazanta87

    Gazanta87 New Member Full Member

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    AJ's undoing was he never really listened to McCracken. It seems to me like AJ doesn't want to box for 12 rounds he wants to go out and bash people up but the problem is his chin doesn't hold up at world level.
     
  4. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    But arguably he’s better suited to trying to be that destroyer who goes out to bash up people.

    He has good handspeed, good power and throws good combos. He does not have a good engine, has limited head movement and for me that is not conducive towards a 12 round style.
     
  5. Twentyman

    Twentyman ‘He’s just not that popular’ Full Member

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    I listened to Costello talking to Joshua on the 5live podcast. Costello asked him, if Ruiz is hurt like that again, what do you do differently? Joshua replied that he goes back in but doesn’t get caught this time....NOOOOO Joshua, you don’t go straight back in, you feel him out with the jab then go back in if he’s ready to go.

    I think Ruiz does him again. If Joshua won it would set up some mouthwatering fights with Wilder and Fury but I’m just not convinced he’s ready to take on a style like Ruiz at this point in his career. Ruiz will close that gap and let his hands go once again.
     
  6. Citizen Smith

    Citizen Smith Active Member Full Member

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    After the first knockdown Ruiz was on the floor but sat up, hands behind him and had his wits about him, ready to get up. AJ jumped on him again but Ruiz was more than equal.
     
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  7. BaronSamedi

    BaronSamedi Member Full Member

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    Yes, I agree

    Ill bet you £10 happily...

    Now prove it or PayPal me £10
     
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  8. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just watched it back. Joshua won rounds 2 and 5. What struck me was his disdain for Rob McCracken’s instructions at the end of round 2. Telling Rob what he should be doing and then when Rob said to throw the odd lead left hook AJ responds “I just said that”. Don’t know if he always does that but can’t remember that happening previously.

    Round 7, having been told keep it long and to only throw the uppercut left hook on the inside, he immediately goes for a huge lead left hook. Though by then he didn’t seem to know where he was in the corner, genuinely seemed high as a kite.

    @Twentyman good call on the nose, he was looking at it and dabbing it during the fight.

    Round 3 he did rush in and get countered with a big hook. He can learn from that and not get caught so easily and cleanly again. Ruiz will be confident though. It’s going to be a tough fight for AJ. He needs to systematically break him up, Ruiz is tough and isn’t naive enough to be knocked out by one big shot, looking for those will just make AJ vulnerable.

    Still fancy Ruiz to stop him again but do see a way for AJ to win. It does remind me a lot of the Price vs Thompson fight in many ways.

    Call me crazy but could he just try and rough Ruiz up on the inside? If he’s smothering Ruiz then it’s harder for him to get the leverage and space to counter with quick, hard shots and he can use his uppercut left hook on the inside. Push him down a la Haye vs Klitschko. Though not sure AJ has the stamina to fight that way...
     
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  9. Dragon Punch

    Dragon Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sadly, my money will be on Ruiz by KO again. I will walk down to the bookies on the morning of the fight, like the good old days and stick £50 on whichever rounds give me the best odds , althought it will be somewhere between 6-9 I reckon.
     
  10. Journey Man

    Journey Man Journeyman always. Full Member

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    The problem for this fight is that Ruiz is a stylistic nightmare for Joshua. Even in the amatuers he struggled with smaller guys with fast hands.

    You've got to look at the ways to win for AJ to see that he's in trouble - if he trys and keeps things long and box, you question whether a) AJ can keep disciplined for 12 rounds which he hasn't shown before, b) question if AJ has the engine, speed and IQ to dance around and actually pull it off and c) believe that Ruiz won't be able to let his fast hands go at least a few times.

    The other way you'd potential back AJ is if he plodded forward and overpowered Ruiz. You'd think this is unlikely, given that Ruiz has the faster hands and a good chin, all he has to do is throw at the same time at AJ and you'd think he'd get his shots off first and hurt him again.

    I'm personally picking AJ to win a stinker. Try and box and move and as soon as that doesn't work, tie up Ruiz and potentially some dirty shots such as hitting and holding and punching on the break. Think that AJ will be allowed to get away with a lot of it and the judges are likely to favour him. AJ by decision at 4/1 is a good bet.
     
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  11. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The irony is that by getting KTFO by the fat boy in June, AJ winning a stinker on points over Ruiz would actually be lauded as some sort fantastic achievement.
    I hate to think what the SKY script looks like if AJ wins this fight. I daresay references to Muhammad Ali and the Rumble in the Jungle will be used, if they aren't being used already !
     
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  12. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Listened to a Hearn interview yesterday and he was saying "If AJ wins, he is the ****ing king" and all sorts of stuff like that.

    Now listen, if AJ does win I'll be the first on here saying it was a brilliant win and performance. To come back mentally and win an immediate rematch will be amazing.

    However, sky and Hearn will go way over the top. At the end of the day, it's Andy Ruiz he'll have beaten. Andy Ruiz who had a close fight with Joseph Parker and didn't get the cards. AJ himself will have two, possibly three better wins on his resume than Ruiz.

    AJ needs a win over Wilder or Fury to cement the legacy. Wilder or Fury will have a win over the other before February is out. The Parker's, 39 year old Povetkin's and Andy Ruiz's of this world are a long way behind Wilder and Fury.
     
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  13. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Likewise I will be impressed if he beats Ruiz convincingly. It would show he's improved since June and it would show mental strength.
    But avenging a defeat to Ruiz isn't better than if he'd won in June, which really would have been considered a decent but not exceptional win.
     
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  14. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly. The whole experience puts him in a great place moving forward. But moving forward he needs that big win. And by big win I mean a win over an elite guy who isn't old. The winner of Fury/Wilder is the perfect opponent to go and cement that legacy.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would love it to see a AJ-Ruiz trilogy if the 2nd fight is as good as the first one, in the event that AJ wins this time.
     


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