Joshua and Wilder are no longer among the best heavyweights

Wilder never was

 

Yes on Wilder but no on Joshua. He may have another 3-4 years as a top fighter.

 

Yeah I'll admit he was definitely ring rusty but he wont have that excuse if he loses to Zhang.

Hard to say how he would of dealt with Parker, back then, I would of favoured Parker, simply because he'd still push him onto the back foot and we know Wilder is useless on the back foot, even guys like Washington were able to out box Wilder when Wilder was on the back foot.
Wilder simply wasn't tested enough against good opposition in his prime to get a real gauge on how good or bad he was. But he struggled with journeymen like Molina, Szpilka, Washington and Duhaupas and when he fought an old Ortiz he struggled badly too.

I also don't think he takes Parker's head off, he has a good chin, Joyce only stopped him on sheer attrition and work rate and Wilder doesn't throw enough to break Parker down. We saw Zhang land flush and Parker get up both times, I don't think Wilder's best shot can keep Parker down and I don't think Wilder is accurate enough or busy enough to land that right hand often enough to force a stoppage.

 

Nah. Prime Fury would own Parker and Wilder did well against Fury.

If Willder can catch Fury he can catch anyone.

 

yea, after this loss, i rank Joshua higher then Fury.

 

I'd favour Fury over Parker 100% but I don't think Wilder did well vs Fury. He should have lost the first fight as he won 2-3 rounds tops. The 2nd fight he was dominated for every minute of every round. The 3rd fight was the only really competitive fight because Fury gave one of his worst performances to date. Let's not forget Parker dominated Wilder when they fought it wasn't even close, yeah maybe Wilder was rusty but damn he didn't even win a round on one judges scorecard.

Fury is easy to hit, always has been, hence why he's been down so often. He has lapses in concentration and takes risks he shouldn't Wilder landing isn't such an impressive feat and even if he lands, there's no guarantee he keeps Parker down. Stiverne went the distance, Fury went the distance and of course Parker did go the distance when they actually fought. Parker's head movement is good enough to evade most of Wilder punches and his chin good enough to get up should he get caught. Plenty of Wilder opponents have gotten up and been able to box on from taking shots off Wilder and still hand in there until later in the fight. Wilder's ability to finish fighters isn't great and I don't think he can land that right hand often enough to force a stoppage.

 

Wilder likes them old and sickly:

Stiverne: 37 + rhabdo ✅
Ortiz: 39 + dodgy ticker✅
Zhang: 40 + on dialysis ✅
He's going for the trifecta

Unfortunately, Parker wasn't a good fit: far too young and healthy

 

Joshua is definitely 2 or 3.

Wilder has more losses than wins in the last 4+ years but those losses were to guys that are in the top 5ish. So he's probably still top 10 (I have him exactly at 10)

 

What a clown opinion slanders Wilder but than proceed to pump up Fury using Wilder victory to prove a point. Fury fans are clowns there is nothing out there that shows Fury is number 2 it was just his big mouth stating his the best based on nothing. The media were stupid enough to believe it and so were casuals, but now the myth was eradicated he must fight Josha who has the deeper resume only after he fights Joshau will we ever know who is better. I don't want any hypothetical fights from Fury mouth, his fans, talksport, delusional youtube platforms I want to see Joshau vs Fury to see who is the second best period.

 

Joshua is, Wilder isn't. Don't lump the two together. They're not on the same level.

Wilder could get in the mix if he beats Zhang and nabs a few decent wins after that. Maybe a win over Parker in a rematch. But realistically he's staring down the barrel, and if he loses to Zhang he's finished.

Joshua has the Fury fight lined up. He's sitting pretty.

 

Wilder is completely shot, no fighter has ever comeback to their best after 2 brutal, sustained beatings like Fury gave him, he took his absolute soul as a fighter, even worse followed by a large period of inactivity, Wilder is probably an 11-20 rank heavyweight now and about to get brutally ko'd inside 3 rounds by Zhang.

Joshua has a little more left but will suffer his 4th loss as soon as he steps up competition again, the fact that his fanboys are clinging on to a run of fights consisting of Franklin-Helenious-Wallin-Ngannou is utterly laughable, trying to lever Furys fights with Wallin and Ngannou as some sort of comical barometer, none of those fighters are top 15 heavyweights to anyone with an ounce of knowledge of the sport. Once Joshua steps up, he will revert to type, all the old failings will be there again, the rabbit in the headlights, gassing out and scared of being hit.

 

AJ lost to Ruiz Jr and Usyk

Fury lost to himself and Usyk


Fury & Usyk are leagues ahead

 

Yeah, there's nothing on Wilder's resumé to say he was ever a top 5 really. His best wins were Stiverne 1 and Ortiz, who at their best were Top 10s.

 

Exactly.

Ortiz got his best win at 36 years old. (Jennings)...
He fought Wilder around 2.5 years later, just a couple of weeks shy of 39 years old.

Now ask any Wilder fan, and Deontay was basically shot at 38 when he fought Parker - it's the kind of age where age catches up with fighters (and/or becomes a convenient excuse).

Even IF Ortiz was a contender after beating Jennings (and IMHO even that is questionable) - was he a contender 2.5 years later, considering his age?? Cmon...

Stiverne was one of the weakest champions to ever lay hands on a belt - he was okay at times, awful sometimes too... Not exactly what you build a resume on.

 

I disagree, they're proven qualities.

Zhang, Hrgovic, Kabayel, Bakole, Andersen, Dubois, and Joyce are a few names I keep being told are the best caliber in the world despite having beaten no body but themselves.

Parker, Wilder, Joshua, Fury, and Usyk have been with us a while. Just because Usyk was a CW doesn't mean he hasn't been a highly rated boxer for a long time now. These men destroyed the past, obliterated one another, and have begun work on the new generation.

There is a huge difference in position and likewise there should be in respect but the boxing fan struggles with the concept of respect.


Youse guys think because Fury can call Wilder a dosser you can too, but you are mistaken and you folly allows you to hold such beliefs as beat no one, held no title, never even been a number one contender Bakole is somehow a greater fighter than record defenses, record kos, and record win streaks in one man.