Joshua Could've fought Wilder last year

Yeah because ring is always 100% correct I have not said anything that can not be considered to be true Ortiz' record is almost as bad as Wilders

 

Why are you on this crusade lately Joey in regards to going out of your way to defend Wilder ?

Ortiz never truly beat a world class Heavyweight Jennings is a solid name but certainly wouldn't be rated anywhere amongst the most notable Heavyweights of this era.

And mentioning Thompson and Allen as an argument to make a claim for Ortiz is just silly.

 

Ortiz and Stiverne OK dude sure they beat everyone and deserved the fake ranks if that's the best you got no point trying to educate you just look at my other reply to see what they actually achieved

 

Stong wins to who only people who seem to rate Ortiz are Wilder fans go look on boxrec and who he fought and you can Cound on one hand names you will know and Wilder will still be on the list twice so not sure how you think you are proving anything
Ortiz was a fake bogeyman to give Wilder a name on his record he never achieved anything and had a paper thin record you can even look at his amateur record was not even the best in his own country then

 

Ortiz was not good based on his opposition because he hadn't really beaten anyone of note.

If you consider him good based on the eye test and the undefeated record then fine, but you can't claim him as a truly world class Heavyweight when he never truly beat one.

 

Stirverne won a vacant belt against a past it Chris Arreola I doubt in reality he would even be a top 20 Heavyweight of this era.

 

Ortiz was good you don't get to be a pro boxer unless you are good but the truth is he was overrated by Wilder fans to make Wilder look better take a good look at his record it's not that deep and by the time he fought Wilder he was to old to then go on and prove if he was really good

You might think I am a Wilder hater I really am not I think it is a shame he never done more with his career the guy had some fantastic talent he was fast had good power and reflexes a decent chin but he was always laking the most important thing he never had the right mentality to be a top fighter he was never willing to learn and would not listen to his trainer that's why he surrounded himself with yes men.

Look at AJ for me he has less natural gifts than Wilder but he will always go down as the more accomplished fighter because he was always trying to improve and always looking at new ways to do this he dedicates himself to fighting can you imagine if Wilder done that and had that same mentality even starting boxing as late as he did this thread and many other would not be full of what ifs

At the end of the day he done what he set out to do and made money for his daughter so he actually achieved what he wanted to so congrats to him for that but for me he will aways have that big what if factor

 

I don't take you seriously buddy. Your posts at this point are either completely laughable or bad trolling.
From Fury having better resume to AJ and ridicules argument from it, to AJ ducking Wilder, and now the narrative that Wilder is somehow shot after the Fury fights.
I get it that you are anti-AJ, and pro Fury and Wilder and trying to safe face from them, after their being exposed, but no one is agreeing with you, as posts suggests.
You can reply to everyone as much as you like, that's not going to change a thing.
You are saying nothing factual. Your post are clearly biased and putting a narrative.

Firstly there is zero suggestion that WIlder was done after the Fury fights. And after Wilder KO Helenius in Round 1, the whole forum was going mad how Wilder was going to beat everyone inside 3 rounds.
But after Parker schooled him, Wilder suddenly become shot, cause he was smashed to pieces. If his punch resistance was gone, Parker would have KOed him with ease.
Zhang also landed pretty solid combos in one of the previous rounds, and Wilder took it well.

But going by your biased logic one can say that WIlder was shot to piece before Fury 2 fight. Because, you see Ortiz beated him badly in their 2 fights, prior to the KO of Ortiz. Wilder took a lot of beating. And even before the Ortiz fight. Molina rocked WIlder terribly, and gives him some beating. Duhaupas gives WIlder some beating. And Harold Sconier(or whatever his name is), dropped Wilder, and allergy beated him, and they give Wilder very long count and ended the round earlier to save him.

I can make a case for anyone being shot after one of their loses. Like AJ was shot after Ruiz 1, as Ruiz concussed him, and this is officially, not some fairy tales story. AJ was KD like what 4-5 times.
Or that Wladimir Klitschko was shot to pieces after Sanders and Brewster TKO-ed him.

My experience, and that is years of watching and training martial arts, that a life-changing fights, and the ones that takes something a lot from you, are the ones when someone is getting knocked out cold. Like Whyte against AJ, Whyte against Povetkin, and his punch resistance was shot after this fights, this was clear.
And for example what AJ did to Ngannou. This is typically the fight that takes something or all from a fighter.
But it's not always the case. As Chisora was KOed a couple of times out cold, and still has decent punch resistance, even when he is ancient.

And even that being said i can also make a case for Parker being shot to pieces, as just before the Wilder fight he was smashed to pieces and KO brutally by Joyce. He took a lot more beating than WIlder. Parker was in a war with Whyte and in Chisora 1.
So nice try.
Zhang also took a lot of beating by Jerry Forrest, and it's not like he did not eat quite a lot of shots by Hrgovic.

So keep this excuses for someone that believes in the fairy tales. I from the day 1 has always been saying that Wilder is protected fraud.
And it turns out to be the case.

Anyway i don't mind your trolling at this point, as i'm taking a break from the forum, from tomorrow, so good riddance buddy.