Joshua has always looked a bit vulnerable to a good jab

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  1. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I had this conversation before the fight on Friday. Even as recently as the Helenius I felt Joshua was struggling to find his range coz Helenius has a decent jab with a bit of power and was sticking it straight on him.

    Another thing with Joshua is I think he struggles massively when he's put on the back foot.

    Thirdly I think his recuperative abilities and his iq to adapt during a fight are very weak.

    Lastly I don't think Joshua can fight on the back foot very well. He's only ever done it once successfully against a totally unfit and pedestrian Ruiz Jr in the rematch. His power bailed him out vs Povetkin but he was having real problems until then when he was being backed up.


    You listen to sparring stories of partners talk how hard Dubois jabs, the fact that Dubois has already battered Joshua in sparring when he was 18 among other things and he was always a live dog in this fight.

    Now I was talking up Dubois's chance in my head but I felt I was sort of trying to convince myself because I dislike Joshua so much but in reality in makes perfect sense in hindsight.

    Joshua almost bailed himself out again in the 5th with his power but got put well and truly to sleep. Dubois's strengths exploit all of Joshua's weaknesses and tonight went perfectly. He jabbed, he backed him up, he rocked him early.

    If there is an immediate rematch I don't like Joshua's chances. That KO must leave his punch resistance a bit fragile for a while. If he wants a big fight the only one out there is Wilder.

    A reporter who spoke to Usyk claimed Usyk said Joshua was keeping his hands too low, staying in the pocket too long and leaning back rather than stepping back. All fair assessments.

    I can't stand Joshua, think he's clearly an arrogant juice head but a great athlete still but must say it's great to see him exposed considering his dislikeable personality.
     
  2. zelky

    zelky Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No catching, blocking or parrying. Barely any slipping or head movement. Fundamental defensive skills. Something you'd expect from someone who is picked as favourite.

    Seemingly thinking he was going to will his way to victory? He's still the same person that lost it after the Usyk fight.
     
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  3. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

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    For someone with AJ's backing, experience, the trainers he has had, the amount of techinical amateurish mistakes he made in the fight was shocking
     
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  4. Salty Dog

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    In the first couple of minutes of the fight I thought that DuBois' jab was quicker and thrown with more serious intent and calcultaion. Kinda set the tone imo.
     
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  5. tragedy

    tragedy Active Member Full Member

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    And Joshua kept throwing and missing the same counter right hand he KO'ed Ngannou with and Dubois saw it EVERY SINGLE TIME. No adjustment at all to try something else from AJ or the mastermind Ben Davison.
     
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  6. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog submit to Buc-ee's Full Member

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    Meh... I didn't say any particular trainer/game plan could have helped him. My point is that I think Joshua was stoned on the smoke blown up his ass after redeeming the honor of boxing (which I agree he did) and he just phoned his camp in. He might have been there exercising, but his mind was sucking up that sweet, intoxicating fan worship.
     
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  7. zwaargewicht

    zwaargewicht New Member banned Full Member

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    This. I thought his keeping his hands low as early as the first round and not moving his head or stepping back were some actual game plan cooked up by Davison, setting up some trap for later on - a weird and dangerous game plan, sure, but they are professionals and they know better than us armchair experts. It turned out that these things were exactly what they looked like - bafflingly amateurish and fundamental mistakes.
     
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  8. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was vulnerable to more then just a jab against Dubois,

    hands down at his waist like Roy Jones’s
    Most of the fight.
    & pulling straight back with his chin in the air
    Again …. With his guard down like Ryan Garcia.
     
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  9. tragedy

    tragedy Active Member Full Member

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    Ben Davison and Lee Wylie literally ARE armchair experts. Those two combined had literally as much boxing experience as you or me.
     
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  10. zelky

    zelky Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've re-watched the fight and have to give him some credit. Before he got knocked down in round 1 he was trying to be defensive, and to a degree he did OK.

    But anything that he was doing in that first two and a half minutes ended with the knockdown. He lost his composure, might have been slightly concussed so it was all downhill from there.
     
  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's baffling to think Dubois himself is very vulnerable to the jab, or at least he was when he fought Joyce who jabbed his head off. Dubois simply has learned to move his head a little, not a lot just a little and it was enough to make him harder to hit with the jab from Joshua and allow him to win the battle of the jabs.

    Joshua has declined, not because he's old or shot. I think having not fought a genuinely competitive fight in over 2 years, his skills simply have regressed. He was making stupid mistakes, he'd throw and then sit there to be countered, like he used to pre-Ruiz, which is why he lost every exchange. Yeah get your shots off but if you stand there afterwards you will get hit, it's like he forgot how to move. He was backing up in straight lines with his hands down by his chest which is what led to the first knockdown.
     
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  12. BlackDog

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    Fight go very bad from the begin. Joshua was catch by stupid shots throw from miles because he dont use his feet properly and stay on range too long.

    Most shock to me is fact that Dubois was quicker. Not a lot but still. In other fights this looks different and that why many people belive Joshua is massive favorite.

    Joshua when he is heart same as Wilder startą fight for live with slow motion effects. For real he show big heart and mental here to survive that with strong puncher like Daniel for soo long (better clinching and block than in past)
    Bell really help him also.
    Soo we cant even judge Joshua skills because all fight after being wobbled he fight on automatic instinct.

    When he started looking better and Dubois little tired he catch Dubois with super shot but he was to shaky to remeber lessons from past and go for KO.
    That was huge mistake.
    Who know how Daniel would look after this shot. Maybe he will be slow down and then Joshua can comeback 100% and start using his advantage.
    But he go for KO and being KO because Daniel was to still in enough good shape to throw counter.

    Now like people always do they will talk how bad Anthony always was. Nope. He is very good boxer but with some limits.
    Choosing Daniel looks like mistake. His style work terrible for him.
    Sometimes better choose easier way. Better for them not for us fans off course.
     
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  13. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Funnily enough this was the reason he was picked as favourite.
    I think a lot of it is because Dubois put it straight on him and backed him up. Soon as he was getting caught and pushed back he reverted to a telegraphed pub brawler.

    Against N'Gannou once he found a rhythm his fundamentals looked solid but here when he wasn't given the time to box at his pace he suddenly became amateurish.
     
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  14. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's the thing about Joshua. If something he's drilled doesn't work he can't adapt.
     
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  15. FastSmith7

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    I don't get the lean back bull**** he was doing, AJ is really good at stepping out of range, yet he barely utilised that last night? Why? I'm thinking it might have been the trainer, we know how Davison loves a defensive fighter, he tried the same with Fury after his comeback.
     
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