Joshua haters: who should the man have fought?

He fought more often and fought better competition than Fury and Wilder, I agree, but I don't dislike him for his activity and opposition. I dislike him because of his fake personality and how much he is overrated.

 

Their average of age is 78 lmao. And this is thanks to Usyk and Ruiz. Otherwise, average is 98

And... he lost to these two already. What a fighter!

 

I think Fury and Wilder would have beaten AJ at any point and many of the top guys AJ faced would have beaten him if they had been a bit younger. Povetkin and Wlad would have had no problems with him if they had been like 35.

 

You left out Eric Molina. Joshua defended his title against Molina after both Wilder and Arreola knocked him out. Right?

Also, who was better than the unrated late sub Andy Ruiz, the unrated Dillian Whyte and the unrated late sub Carlos Takam when Joshua fought them?

Probably someone who was rated at the time.

 

That’s not enough to make me love the man. It’s not enough to make up for the fake media personality or overrated abilities — AJ was hailed as a new legend of boxing, the great gentleman boxer, and he never was.

 

The only person he could of maybe fought but didn't was Fury. Hearn wanted Fury to beat someone decent before facing Joshua to help build the fight and to prove Fury wasn't washed up and just cashing out, so Fury fought Wilder. So maybe Joshua should of cherry picked Fury when he had the chance instead of Wilder.

But other than that he usually fought the best guy available or faced his mandatory.

 

Go back and read my first reply then. You’re the one who asked me to expand on how he was overrated.

 

Right. Charles Martin, Dominic Breazeale, Eric Molina, Carlos Takam, Andy Ruiz, Joseph Parker and Alexander Povetkin will be remembered as some of the best heavyweights of the generation .... but Wilder won't be included among them.

Got it.


End of thread.

 

The issue with Joshua's competition is that he hasn't faced either of the fighters who everyone for the past FIVE YEARS has considered to be the top two guys in the division. Because he has not done that, it doesn't really matter what kind of "name" the 40 year olds filling his resume had in their prime. Joshua's career was never about facing the best, it was about calculated risk and winnable fights. This long, carefully designed plan was upset by Ruiz and then terminated by Usyk.

In essence, people are annoyed by Joshua creating his own version of the Spence-Crawford bull**** and then mass media and marketing INSISTING that Joshua has a BRILLIANT resume. He doesn't have a brilliant resume. Frankly, he doesn't have **** all worth discussing in terms of greatness until he takes on one of the two other top guys in the division.

Now Fury has destroyed one of his options.

Joshua and Hearn tried to play the long game a la Spence-Crawford or May-Pac and it blew up in their faces. No one is interested in this "who is ducking who" nonsense. People just want to see fights. If you play the "who is ducking who" game and TWO of the THREE top guys in the division create a mega fight without you, you lost.

 

For one, Luis Ortiz was rated (by Ring) above Whyte in 2015, above Martin, Breazeale and Molina in 2016, rated above Takam in 2017, rated above Ruiz in 2019, rated above Pulev in 2020, rated above Usyk in 2021.

The only guys Joshua fought among the contenders who were rated above Ortiz by Ring when Joshua fought them were Wlad, Parker and Povetkin.

That's it. (Although Fury was rated above all three of them in 2017 and 2018.)

So, among the contenders, other than those three, Joshua could've fought someone better in every fight. Luis Ortiz being ranked higher than all of them all those years, for one.