Joshua haters: who should the man have fought?

No, Hearn called Ortiz's manager with an offer to be a late sub when Miller popped for PEDs. Ortiz's manager said that was too low, we want this much. Ortiz's manager called Luis and told him what the offer was and what his counter offer was. Luis said, "You moron, take the deal." Ortiz's manager called Hearn back. Apologized. Said they'd take the deal. Hearn said no.

I'm surprised they didn't find Ortiz's manager dead in a gutter somewhere the next day.

But they accepted Hearn's original offer (after Luis read his manager the riot act). Ortiz's manager offered public and private apologies. Said he messed up. But Hearn took back the offer.

 

So they were going to pay Wilder himself $100 million to fight AJ? What were the terms of this agreement? Where would the fights be held? What was the percentage split between Wilder and AJ? Was Wilder (who like AJ is a simpleton) even properly aware of the terms? AJ also apparently turned down a $50 million deal to fight Wilder in 2018 and I've seen interviews of him ruling out fighting Wilder in America. It's far from as simple as you're making out.

People are going to believe what they want to believe and Matchroom have a powerful PR machine but Wilder didn't have to fight Fury in a rematch and he did, while AJ's fought nobody ranked as highly or as good, let alone on a voluntary basis and he's always fought with home and/or A-side advantage if he could possibly get it. This narrative of AJ as a fearless warrior taking on the toughest challenges every time is a mirage.

 

You need to learn to do some research on your own

 

Not his biggest fan, but the man picked up the IBF title in his 15th pro fight and was fighting Klitschko by his 18th. Needed a Molina and Breazeale in there to give him some rounds and championship experience but since then he’s met every single mandatory. Flawed he is but overall deserves praise.

 

Dont that that(lol)

You claimed talks were underway after Breazeale fought Wilder. This is false. Talks happened before they were even confirmed to fight on showtime. Wilder could have taken the Breazeale fight on Dazn for significantly more money, let alone the Joshua fights and the PPV stacked on top of it. The fact is Wilder turned down the Joshua fight deal and did it for significantly less money. The Breazeale fight would have been included if he signed the deal and he would have made way more money on Dazn for that fight than on showtime. Its completely idiotic of a decision to make if Wilder truly wanted the Joshua fight. Why didn't he take the deal ? Why did he turn it down at the time ?

He was never going to fight Joshua

 

Wilder COULD have fought Breazeale on DAZN ... and a couple weeks later, Anthony Joshua still loses to Andy Ruiz on DAZN ... and there's no unification.

Why are you hung up on a TV deal Wilder didn't take?

That didn't BLOCK the fight.

Joshua LOSING ALL HIS BELTS stopped the unification with Wilder from happening.

If Wilder would've signed with DAZN before the Breazeale fight, Wilder STILL fights Breazeale, Wilder STILL fights Fury in their return (because he had to contractually) ... and Wilder still has a tuneup between those two fights.

And Joshua still doesn't have any belts. He's training for his rematch with Ruiz.

The DAZN deal, while everyone likes to bring it up, didn't do anything to stop Wilder-Joshua.

Once again NO ONE Joshua has defended or lost his titles to have a DEAL with DAZN. Half the guys Joshua fought in title fights - Martin, Breazeale, Molina and Ruiz (Twice) - were PBC boxers who primarily fought on Fox - like Wilder.

The DAZN deal was between that network and Wilder.

Anthony Joshua isn't DAZN. And you don't have to have a deal with DAZN to fight Anthony Joshua. No one else Joshua's fought has had a deal with DAZN, either.

Wilder and Joshua didn't unify because right before they were going to ... Joshua LOST.

Just like Joshua LOST before he fought Fury. If Fury and Joshua HAD BOTH WON a few weeks ago, that unification would be the fight we would be talking about right now.

But we aren't, because JOSHUA lost (again).

And Fury didn't need to sign a contract with DAZN to make it happen. They both just needed to win their last fights.

Joshua didn't. (Same situation.)

 

That's hardly AJs fault. The point is Ortiz was still offered the fight. I don't know enough about the whole management thing to comment further.

 

That argument doesn't hold much weight because the time of negotiations before and when Wilder turned down the offer Wilder didn't know that Joshua would even fight Ruiz, let alone lose. He had no idea the circumstances. When he turned down the offer he was not aware at all that Joshua would loose against Ruiz and he turned down the offer in march. So 2 weeks my ass

The simple fact is at the time he did not take the guaranteed 100 million dollar deal. And you brought up that even if Wilder fought on DAZN Joshua would still lose to Ruiz so "no unification". Well Joshua beat Ruiz in the immediate rematch and regardless of the circumstances Wilder still would have been promised a guaranteed twice as much for the Breazeale fight on DAZN than he got for guaranteed on showtime. So again.. the argument holds no merit any way you slice it.

Wilder STILL fights Breazeale for less money, STILL fights Fury and a tune up for less money, STILL gets washed by Fury

Yeah maybe its because the thought Wilder would run if the fight was less than 100 million. Looks like they were right. Regardless the argument doesn't hold up. Your grasping at examples but the facts are Wilder was offered 100 million and he didn't take it

Hearn was signed to DAZN at the time and is Joshua's promoter, you're speaking as if Joshua had a problem with the fight negotiations being led by DAZN. He did not so again the argument holds no weight. You're still tryint to deny reality. Wilder turned down the deal and fought other fighters for significantly less money.

 

Wilder has openly admitted to ducking AJ. The words came right out of his mouth. Instead he took what he thought was an easy touch with Fury which backfired on him. Then they had 2 more fights. So at what point was AJ supposed to fight either guy? I’m not blaming AJ for either of those fights not happening. I still want to see both of those fights and we will see if they happen once AJ is done with the Usyk rematch.

But the fact that only 1 fight has happened between the top 3 guys when they’ve all been around for years sums up the state of boxing.

 

LOL, so you have critisism for AJ's opposition, one of them being he hasn't fought the top guys. The other top guys resume are worse than his. Explain that. Fury's opposition is outright laughable since beating an old Wlad. Need I say anything about Wilder? Explain to me how Fury and Wilders resumes are any better than AJ's. What, because they fought each other 3 times.

 

What other fighters do you think Wilder was going to fight if he signed a deal with DAZN?

He had to fight Breazeale (according to the WBC). You said yourself DAZN included that fight in the offer. He had to fight Fury again - because Fury exercised his rematch clause.

So, if he signs with DAZN in 2019, who does he fight instead of Ortiz?

It isn't Joshua, because he doesn't have any belts. Joshua was training for the Ruiz rematch.

Was there a clause in the DAZN deal that if Wilder signed, Anthony Joshua WOULDN'T SPIT OUT HIS MOUTHPIECE AND QUIT against Andy Ruiz?

If not, then nothing really changes than what actually occurred.

Joshua and Wilder didn't unify in 2019 because Anthony Joshua LOST all his belts ... and exercised his rematch clause with Ruiz.

Just like he lost to Usyk and blew the unification with Fury next time out.