Joshua haters: who should the man have fought?

Markus, Wilder didn't have to sign a contract with DAZN to fight Joshua.

Just like no one Joshua has defended against has had to sign a deal with DAZN to fight Joshua.

Just like Tyson Fury didn't have to sign a contract with DAZN to fight Joshua.

It's not a requirement to fight Joshua. It never has been.

Wilder turning down the DAZN deal didn't stop Hearn and Finkel from discussing a unification after Wilder-Breazeale. The discussions stopped when Joshua lost to Ruiz. Because Joshua had nothing to unify against Wilder.

 

When Joshua fought Whyte, was anyone asking for that fight? Answer no because Ortiz wouldn't beat Jennings until the week after which was his breakthrough fight which made everyone take notice of Ortiz. Joshua and Whyte had a history with Whyte beating Joshua in the ams so it was an obvious fight to help build Joshua in the UK. Ortiz may have been ranked higher but this fight was never on the cards in any way not even Ortiz was calling Joshua out back then.

As for Martin, was Joshua realistically fight Ortiz a fight nobody was yet calling for or fight for a title?

Breazeale and Molina both Haymon fighters like Martin were fights Joshua had to take as Haymon as part of the deal to secure a shot at Martin had to give options to Haymon. Joshua had no say on who he fought here.

Takam remember was a last minute replacement for an injured Pulev which was a mandatory defence and with Ortiz jumping ship and having signed to fight Wilder a month after this fight wasn't going to suddenly take on Joshua on short notice when he had a title shot already secured vs Wilder. So again even if Joshua wanted it, Ortiz wasn't available.

Joshua fought Ruiz Jr because Ortiz declined $7 mill and ducked Joshua lol.

Pulev was mandatory was Joshua meant to dump the IBF belt and throw away his ambition to become undisputed so he could fight a past prime Ortiz who already ducked him the year before?

Uysk again a mandatory so no choice again for Joshua and lets be honest Usyk is far, far superior to Ortiz.

 

Ask Wilder because he's the one who turned down the deal. Like i said, at the time of negotiations and when he turned down the 100 million dollar offer, Wilder had no IDEA that Joshua would even fight, let alone lose to Ruiz. Grasping for straws

Wilder and Joshua didn't unify because Wilder didn't take the offer, if he did he would have fought Breazeale for way more money regardless and Joshua beat Ruiz in the rematch. As i said no matter how you slice it. Wilder could have made twice as much money bare minimum if he signed to fight Breazeale on DAZN

 

He fought who he could at the time. He could maybe have rematched Whyte at some point round about the time he was going on that mini tear of the division, but Whyte had his sights set on challenging for the WBC and had that upset to Povetkin anyway, so not exactly crime of the century he didn't.

Wilder wanted nothing to do with him and by all accounts was a nightmare to deal with so I have no regrets that that was a missed opportunity, and Fury was tied up with Wilder for years so that wasn't on the table either.

 

Keep grasping. Hearn was signed with DAZN at the time and it was DAZN that likely had the money to offer Wilder the total of 100 million guaranteed.

Maybe... just maybe they didn't have to sign a contract with DAZN because they were never sent a offer of that size which could be supported by DAZN bar Fury, and Fury was given a huge deal by Hearn who got the money from the Saudis which Fury confirmed was real.

 

Hilarious. I've heard the "Joshua had no say" line too many times to mention.

Let me get this straight. You guys believe ... as part of a deal to secure a shot with Martin ... Al Haymon said, "Joshua can have his shot, but if Joshua beats my guy, he has to defend against not one but TWO PBC fighters of my choosing. And you have no say in who I choose!"

And two guys "Al Haymon chose" to reclaim the belt from Joshua were Eric Molina and Dominic Breazeale?

That's who Haymon thought could get the belts back? Not Wilder. Not Ortiz. Not Arreola (who had wasted Molina in one).



I have no doubt Joshua had to make his first two defenses against PBC fighters. However, I am pretty sure "considering who got those shots" that Hearn and Joshua had a say in who those two would be.

Call me crazy. But I think Hearn and Joshua "had a say."

 

Markus, nobody has to sign a deal with DAZN to fight Joshua.

You're equating two things that don't go together. No one Joshua has defended against has a multi-fight deal with DAZN.

No one who has beaten Joshua has a multi-fight deal with DAZN.

It's not a requirement.

DAZN tried to sign Wilder. Wilder didn't take the deal.

You can say Wilder would've made more fighting Breazeale, Ortiz and Fury if he fought them on DAZN, but you can't say Wilder didn't unify with Joshua because Wilder didn't sign with DAZN.

Wilder didn't unify with Joshua because Joshua didn't have any belts to unify.

Joshua lost.

 

I'm not following. How is Joshua a fraud? How is his personality fake? He seems like a good guy to me. A likable guy. He just doesn't have the killer instinct that is needed at this level. He is too nice a guy. Sure, he can bring it but he is definitely not a Tyson or Foreman. He is just a decent guy who happened to be big and physically gifted. He was thrust into something that he was not entirely comfortable doing.

I would love to see him fight Wilder. That would be a VERY interesting fight.

 

Wilder WAS NOT negotiating the DAZN deal with Eddie Hearn.

You seem to be confusing the DAZN deal with Finkel and Hearn talks.

Finkel and Wilder were negotiating with the Chairman of DAZN John Skipper. Because the contract would've been between Wilder and the network. Not Wilder and Hearn.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/1...dmits-to-messing-up-100m-deontay-wilder-deal/

In an interview with LANCE PUGMIRE of the ATHLETIC.com DAZN Executive chairman John Skipper was quoted as saying :

“In retrospect, I was too brash going in there without creating the relationships I needed to create with the people who advised Deontay Wilder. I have now worked to do that. It has to do with going back to the education I needed before getting into boxing … When we left that (Wilder) meeting, I KNEW WE MESSED UP and that we weren’t going to be successful (Wilder)

John Skipper went on to say QUOTE:

“We were IMPATIENT, and after having some early success, we wanted to MOVE QUICKLY. Now I understand that I’ve got to work relationships, work within a framework and understand other peoples’ self-interests and needs as well … If I had to do it again, I’d have gone in and said, ‘I’m playing the long game.’ I’m playing the long game with Canelo and GGG, too.”

 

His career designed with old, shot, granddad, past-prime fighters by Hearn perfectly.
He has fake personality.
He got both outbrawled and outboxed.
He has zero chin, stamina and heart.
His punch power is overrated.
HE IS FRAUD.

 

Fact is Haymon had options and whether or not Joshua had any say is debatable but options by their nature ensure the guy with the options chooses who they fight next, options where you both have to agree on an opponent isn't exactly worth a damn and defeats the point of having options.

Who else would Haymon of chosen from this then PBC stable of heavyweights? Ortiz wasn't with them, he didn't exactly have a deep heavyweight roster then, which Haymon heavies you think were rejected then by Joshua and Hearn? Washington? Martin rematch? Molina and Breazeale were the best he had so that's why they got a shot and once Joshua got his options out of the way he called out Wlad something Wilder has never had the balls to do.

 

AJ could have fought Wilder but instead an out of shape Fury stepped up. AJ vs Wilder would have been huge at the time. After Fury fought Wilder, AJ could have fought Fury. Although Usyk is a great fighter, the fights with Fury and Wilder would have been bigger. AJ has blown them fights now, he lost to Usyk and will most likely lose the rematch so the clamour for the Fury and Wilder fights won't be as big.

 

Exactly. When it's all said and done, and all the best fighters from this era have retired, no one will give a **** about how many "tOp tEn cOnTeNdErS" that Hearn insists that Joshua has beaten (mostly past their prime btw), and what a "bRiLLiAnT rEsUmE" that Hearn insists that Joshua has.

Legacy is made by beating (or at least facing) the universally recognised top guys in your era. Joshua still hasn't faced Fury or Wilder, and he got completely dominated, with a hapless, gutless performance, by Usyk. If he doesn't win the Usyk rematch (which I suspect he won't), his legacy will be nothing compared to Fury's and Usyk's, because the latter two actually beat top opponents of their era.

 

Nonsensical

You keep grasping and keep giving Wilder passes but the reality is he got an offer for 100 million guaranteed and was given this offer by DAZN that Hearn was signed with and he turned it down while fighting others for less. Unlike the 50 million Wilders team offered, DAZN actually negotiated the details with said fighter. It was not some sort of shady company, it was a multi billion dollar streaming service signed with Joshua's promoter. and the 100 million dollar deal was offered by DAZN because they had that kind of money. therfor the basis of your argument is illogical. DAZN has dozens upon dozens of fighters signed.

Hearn spoke of a 12.5 million guaranteed fight with the Joshua fight. Wilder didn't accept (understandable). Dazn (who was signed with Hearn at the time) steps in, tries to sign Wilder and offers 100 million for a fight against Breazeale and 2 Joshua fights. Wilder doesn't accept, and later on brags about how he could have easily fought Joshua for more money but wanted to "honor the rematch with Fury" (LOL)