Joshua ''I Won't Sell My Soul For 50 million. I'm Not Here To Sell My Belts'' Confirmed Duck

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  1. MAJR

    MAJR Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua and Hearn both said they were interested in taking the fight if the offer was genuine, but that was as far as it got because Wilder's team were not prepared to discuss details.

    You cant blame Hearn or Joshua becuase Wilder's team didn't want to do business - and demanding a verbal agreement before you discuss detail is not doing business, it's stalling.
     
  2. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Saying your interested is not the same as accepting. And then to suggest it is a pr stunt is not the right way about going about business

    If someone sends you an offer of 550,000 for your property, you do not write back and say you '' yes I'm interested but I need to see that the offer is genuine because I don't believe you have that kind of money and need to see proof of funds etc. And to be honest I think this is all just for show really''. Even if that's what you truly are think, then you don't say those kind of things to the other party. It's disrespectful and unprofessional and potentially jeopardizes any deal and communications. Who would want to do business with arrogant tosspots?

    Eddie Hearn is no stranger to doing business with Finkel. Shelly worked on the contract with the 40 year old Wladimir Klitschko and Hearn had no problems whatsoever. The fight got signed very smoothly.

    Al Haymon managed to earn Conor 100 million. Not to mention, he masterminded the richest ppv fight ever for Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight and you want to pretend there are question marks about him funding one of the biggest HW fights in this era?

    I keep asking and I've yet to hear any explanation from you Hearn apologists as to, why wasn't you asking Eddie to provide proof of funds when he was sending twitter messages to Wilder offering a flat fee of 12.5 million dollars. that's 8.8 million british pounds. Instead you were calling for Wilder to accept the offer with both hands because it would mean he would be earning more than he has ever made previously in his career.

    Where is the consistency?
     
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  3. Birmingham

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    :):) Sums it up nicely
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    I think Anthony Joshua is a more extreme version of Wladimir Klitschko.
    He's Wlad's protege.

    There's some serious control freakery involved in his decision making from now on in.
     
  5. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The contract is the issue

    Venue
    Options
    Side deals
    Vetoes
    Sponorships


    Joshua is still the A-side in this fight.
     
  6. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Further Confirmation of Ducking

    Barry Hearn says AJ should wait a little longer and milk the public some more before selling his titles to Wilder

    'The Deontay Wilder fight, if I was Anthony Joshua, I'd be leaving that for a little while.

    'Not because I'm worried about Deontay Wilder but at this moment in time maybe I'm looking at 500,000 to 600,000 pay-per-view buyers. In a year, done properly I might be looking at two million, two and a half million pay-per-view buyers.'

    Joshua has said he is '95 per cent' certain to fight American Wilder this year, but a deal has yet to be agreed.

    Barry Hearn said: 'I said to Anthony: 'If you had six months to live I would say go and fight Deontay Wilder, take the most money, but if you're saying to me that you've got a legacy plan then I'm saying let's capitalise on it properly.'

    That's his decision and his team's, because I don't do the boxing. But it's a credible way of doing business. If you start letting the fans be the matchmaker you'll end up being skint.

    'When you talk about Anthony Joshua, I believe he's planning another eight years at the top.

    'So if he is, and he takes that view, the only thing that can derail him is getting beaten. That fear of getting beaten is what pushes him in the gym every day.

    'The reason our meeting is starting at two o'clock tomorrow is so that he can fit a gym session in in the morning. While he's got that attitude I don't have a worry about anyone beating Anthony Joshua.

    'I just have the worry over whether I'm getting the maximum amount of money for my client, because that's my job. His job is knocking people out.'

    You've been scammed folks.
     
  7. MAJR

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    If someone is buying a home they are expected to make a downpayment and provide for closing costs to cover the legal services. A buyers word they are good for it is not enough to make the sale. Expressing interest in the deal gets you to the point where you discuss the detail, and discussing the detail is where you provide proof of funds.

    Mayweather and Pacquaio were proven box office draws and the two greatest fighters of their generation. That it was the richest PPV fight ever had nothing whatsoever to do with Al Haymon. Any promoter would have "masterminded" the same. The individual fighters were the reason why that was so successful an event, not the promoter.

    I was not calling on Wilder to accept the $12.5million off "with both hands" - I have never done that and you look though my post history if you to verify that - it is more money than he has ever made in any of his fights because he's not a box office draw but he'd be perfectly within his rights to demand details and to discuss contract terms before committing himself to anything. I would have been perfectly fine if he wanted more details and to discuss a contract before he signed to fight because that's how fights are made.
     
  8. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    I'm not going through all this crap again. It's boring we boxing purists just wish to see the biggest fight get made.

    Read the latest comments from Barry Hearn begging Joshua not to take the Wilder fight and refuse the 50 million. They know the offer is real. They've been in contact with Al Haymon who has told them he isn't messing around.

    How much more proof of ducking do you need? Joshua has said he would rather wait until the time is right to fight Wilder. Theses are not the words of a true champion who is willing to take on all corners, any time or any place. Those are the words of a coward.

    It's as clear as day this is one of the biggest and most blatant ducks in sporting history.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Barry Hearn spells it out nicely.

    They don't want Wilder yet. They don't need him.
    They want to 'manufacture' a 'Joshua Era'. That's the truth.

    Personally I hope it backfires on him and he gets beat by someone completely unexpected.
    I actually like what AJ has done in his 21 fights but I don't like the prima donna act, the megalomania and the greed.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Wilder is 4 years older than Joshua and about 25 pounds smaller.

    Joshua can afford to keep Wilder on the shelf and wait for him to slow down a little.
     
  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    From a purely business corporate perspective what they are trying to do with Brand Joshua makes sense

    However in terms of boxing perspective it is greedy, dishonest and cowardly and ruins the sport.

    The boxing fans will lose out as they will miss seeing two fighters fight each other in their prime and will be charged an even higher premium rate to watch the fight later down the line, when potentially both fighters could lose a step in their ability.
     
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  12. PaddyGarcia

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    *Ducking intensifies*
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    I think what their doing would be okay once Joshua gets the 'legacy fights' out of the way. ie. face Wilder for unsiputed title, and face Tyson Fury, IF Fury ever gets fit.
    At that point, they can go ahead and cherry pick.
    But as it is, they just want to create an illusion of Joshua being the great fighter of this era.
     
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  14. MAJR

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    I'm not interested in acusing either man of ducking. I'm interested in being accurate and giving both men a fair hearing.

    I think Wilder really wants the fight, I have never doubted his desire for it, but his handlers have a long history of keeping him away from legitimate threats and giving him the easiest road possible, and there is reason to doubt that his promoters want to make the fight when they refused to even meet Hearn to discuss details.

    I think Joshua and Hearn want the fight but aren't that bothered about it right now because they have other lucrative options they can take in the meantime. Joshua is a proven box office draw in the UK and holds three of the big four belt, he doesn't need to break the American market to make the big money or get recognition for being one of the world's best because he's already got that. At the end of day Joshua does not need Wilder and see's no reason to rush into making a fight with him.

    I want to see the fight, it would be good for boxing, but being a fanboy for one or the other fighter and accusing the other of ducking is just ultimately petty and does not treat either man fairly.
     
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  15. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Tell me what other fight is Joshua going to make 50 million?

    It's not about being a fanboy or appearing to have a balanced perspective on the issue.

    If Wilder was coming out with all this stalling and excuses, I'd be c calling him a shamless ducking coward because I'm a boxing fan first and foremost.

    It can't get any clearer that AJ and his team don't want the fight. The only thing that is left for them to do is come out and declare to the world ''Yes we're scared shitless of Wilder'