Joshua ''I Won't Sell My Soul For 50 million. I'm Not Here To Sell My Belts'' Confirmed Duck

Have you ever bought or sold a house? When you receive an offer the first thing you do is say "yes I'm interested but I need to see proof of funds".

It's standard practice.

 

What other fight is Wilder going to make 12.5 million?

 

There's probably no fight out there that could make 50million, but that doesn't mean other fights that would make Joshua a lot of money. He earned £10million against Takam, Povetkin or Miller would likely make similar amount, he is a proven box office draw.

So you think it's preferable to take Wilder and his camp at their word and pretend Joshua is terrified of him because they have other options and aren't rushing to make the fight? I'm sorry, that make you a fanboy.

Accusing professional fighters of being "scared shitless" of others because they're not doing business the way you want them to is fanboyism.

Business often gets in the way or making fights, we failed to have many potentially great fights in history because the business wasn't right. It's not ideal, its not good for boxing, but it happens. It doesn't mean either man's scared of the other or ducking it just means the deal isn't right, the money's not right or the options aren't right. Fact of life.

Going round pointing fingers shout "duck!" "scared shitless" that makes you a fanboy.

 

Wilder has signed to fight Breazeale, he is afraid of Joshua for any amount of money....................might as well forget about Wilder fighting Joshua, Povetkin or anyone else who can fight..............

 

At this point either side is fighting to get there control of the event which means control of the country that is happening in, control of the ring size and other things that can influence the course of the fight.
The promoter are just feeling the ground to see where the other is willing to go. In the procces everybody is talking about the fight which is making it a bigger fight. Anyways it is my opinion, it reminds me a bit of the Mayweather-Pacquiao sitiation but i do think the fight will be happening somewhere either at the end of 2018 or first half of 2019.

 

I don't get why wilder is so chicken**** to fight in England.
It's for the undisputed fighting in front of almost 100000 people.
The glory of knocking out the Champ in his own backyard.
A no brainer for me.

 

I don't get why wilder is so chicken**** to fight in England.
It's for the undisputed fighting in front of almost 100000 people.
The glory of knocking out the Champ in his own backyard.
A no brainer for me.

 

I was surprised by so many people talking as if Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon could not possibly have the 50 million dollars. Stranger things have happened, and neither Finkel nor Haymon are known as being completely amateurs or cowboys, as Eddie Hearn implies.
Finkel's been involved in big-time boxing when Eddie Hearn was just a baby. Finkel was involved in big time boxing years before Barry Hearn became a boxing promoter.
If Finkel is making such huge false offers or allowing such huge false offers to be made with his name, then he needs to retire his old ass now.
Al Haymon has a good record of finding funds.

I'd tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Boxing is as much a business as it is a sport, if not more so nowadays, and if the business is right fights will happen, if it isn't they wont. Simple. Accusations of "ducking" or being "scare shitless" fail to recognize that.

In business terms, Joshua doesn't need Wilder. His fight against Takam made him 10million, his fight against Parker 20million, a potential fight against Povetkin or Miller would make him millions more. No other fight out there would make 50million in one go but the point is that he's hardly strapped for cash or limited in lucrative options.

In business terms Wilder, on the hand, needs Joshua. He earned 1.4million against Stivern and 2.1million against Ortiz, he's not making big money for a World Heavyweight Champion and he doesn't have any options out there which would make even a quarter what he could make against Joshua.

This is reflective of both men's career progression to date. Joshua has sought out and delivered the big fights and title unification, Wilder has not. As a result, Joshua is a proven box office draw while Wilder isn't, and Joshua has more big money options than Wilder.

 

You sir:

are full of it...

I said, consistently, that Wilder should hold for a percentage, that 35% gets the fight signed, and the flat fee, whilst not paltry, was an opening salvo rather than the final offer.

As attacking my knowledge of relevant commercial practice. If your in the boxing industry I defer to direct experience, there may be specific conventions I'm unaware of, although I've dealt with UK boxing businesses in the past and noted nothing unusual.

Otherwise, I have direct experience of negotiation in comparable industries that negates your viewpoint. Deal points can be agreed beforehand, or they can be left on the table pending discussion of other matters. It's entirely a matter for the parties to the negotiation.

What is unusual is to preclude meetings or even further discussions until one particular aspect is agreed. Likewise selectively leaking confidential communications to the media, potentially adding misinformation, the imposition of arbitrary or unrealistic deadlines or, on the opposing side, the frequent disrespect shown to opposing principals. None of which help to create the good faith and trust required to bring a succesful negotiation to fruition.

If they accept a deal that has a sting in the tale they'll risk a media backlash that they would be wiser avoiding. Especially when the other party has already shown they're ready to leak confidential communications to the press.