"Joshua is running from Wilder, he's hiding behind his promoter and he should be" --- Luis Ortiz

You sound so proud of AJ for ducking I’m glad it could make you so happy. Congrats legends in his sport think he’s trash and a ducker. Quack quack quack quack. He could face to face with Miller but not Wilder hahaha what a great champion he is

 

Predictable response from a matchroom prostitute.

If Wilder was the problem and was coming out with blatant ducking statements I'd have no qualms calling him out on it and those that know me on this forum, know I would.

Let's play your silly schoolboy game.

How many unification fights did Joshua have before the 50/50 split for the klitschko fight?

When has Jenner ever been offered 50 million purse?

Who did Jenner beat to win the IBF to put him in the position to fight for the vacant WBA and WBC super titles?

As for ppvs you're basically celebrating getting scammed.

Is Joshua vs Molina ppv worthy?

What about Joshua vs 40 year old Takam who barely trained? Was that ppv worthy?

You ask what Wilder has done to deserve to be offered a reasonable rate, without taking into account he's the 15th longest serving champion of the WBC belt which he directly earned.

He wasn't gifted them from paper champions.

Jenner's only belt that he earned was the WBO which he beat Joseph Parker.

The rest are Fury's which he is keeping warm.

I'm backing the wrong horse am I? No I'm backing the horse that is doing everything to get in the ring with your dead beat roid fuelled dog that is afraid of coming out of the stables.

Wilder sends AJ to sleep without too many problems and thats why you and the rest of you brainwashed matchroom lemmings love it when Hearn throws more hurdles in the path to stop the fight from happening.

Remember how determined you dummies were to believe the 50 million offer was fake and not one of you cried out for AJ to accept the terms. You just parroted the same old Eddie hearn narrative that he trotted out on an Ifilm interview, demanding contracts before anything was accepted, proof of funds, date venue.

You didn't ask those questions when Hearn was sending out offers without contracts was you?

You're on a hiding to nothing here.

Jenner ducked Ortiz and has done everything in his power to duck Wilder.

Enjoy watching caitlyn fight Whyte in the ''revenge or repeat'' ppv farce, along with ''The baby's On Board'' against Miller and finally Pulev in ''unfinished business'' whilst singing in a drunken state to Sweet Carolina believing you're watching the best heavyweight since Mohammed Ali.

 

Answer these questions..

How many fights have both men had as professionals?

How many unification fights have AJ and Wilder had each?

How many major titles does each fighter hold?

What are Joshua and Amir Wilders biggest live gate numbers?

What are AJ and Amir Wilders biggest PPV numbers?

We could go on... What are their biggest purses?

Compare all those answers and come back to me when Amir Wilder is number 1 in any of those questions.

Amir Wilder is levels below AJ on every level of th business and even his resume after 40 fights is embarrassing, Big Amir isn't AJ's equal in any respect, nowhere near.

Just answer those questions and then have the nerve to tell me Joshua and Hearn should make it remotely easy and bend over ackwards for the loud mouth Amir Wilder because Team Amir and people like you scream "duck".

Wilder deserves next to nothing, he has done no work, he just holds a title that he has personally devalued.

The rest of the division will move on without him, they will make huge money on PPV events in the UK and the US while Wilder is fighting nobodies in front of about 10k of people (most of whom given the tickets) in a non PPV event, earning at most 2 million a fight.

So Who is really fooling who?

We can all scream "duck", means nothing, money and numbers talk and Big Amir hasn't got either.

 

Legends?

Like who?

Lennox Lewis? Funny, Americans where constantly hammering Lewis when he was fighting and they constantly go on about him ducking Vitali even today.. some of them need to make their minds up, Lewis is legit or he isn't and then we can talk about Lewis.

Also you have to throw in the fact Joshua is starting to eclipse Lewis as the UK's best ever Heavyweight.

Who else? Ortiz? Legend No, a proven cheat and therefore a liar.

Frank Warren? A rival promoter who takes any opportunity to slaughter Matchroom/Hearn and AJ.

Fury? Legend? Really? One win against WK and he is a Legend therefore if that's the case Joshua is now a Legend right? So Wilder deserves what against a Legend?

You need to think things through before you speak.

And with Fury there is nothing like a little bit of beef between two British heavyweights and the fact Joshua completely stole his thunder and his belts and dwarfs Fury now, obviously he has no agenda.

Froch? I like a Froch but he is a bitter man, AJ beat his 80,000 Wembley record and he hasn't got over it LOL Froch was even slagging off Joe Calzaghe last week, all these years later, Froch is constantly taken the pee out of over here because he comes across as clueless and bitter.



FFS do you actually read about or watch boxing? You don't seem to see the natural rivalry between some of these people or agendas.


Want to talk about legends talking about this fight? Mayweather? Is he a Legend? He said Wilder needs to understand AJ is the A-Side and understand and accept his place.

There are plenty of Americans who have the same opinion and believe Joshua tanks Wilder, I've seen the interviews and read the articles but I didn't feel the need to make a post about them, just opinions, like belly buttons, everybody has one.

 

Just answer the questions I asked you and then we can talk. Read them again and answer them.

It's a very simple request and we can start from there.

 

Froch is the biggest **** around. The bloke has massive chips on his shoulder. He's done more trash talking in retirement than he did when he was fighting.

The problem is Wilder will not fight anyone of note from here on in. This stand off is going to run and run until he signs the contract and realises he is the B side. Asking for 50/50 after getting one decent name on the resume is not going to work.

 

Are you really sitting here saying Lennox Lewis isn’t a legend ? Evander Holyfield, Carl Froch these are all guys who went on and did great things in boxing more than you’ve probably done in your field of work. Tyson Fury beat Wlad before AJ and he wasnt coming off a lost or a 2 yr lay off get real. Tyson Fury is the Lineal heavyweight champ something Joshua will never be. Joshua got baby nuts stop responding to me and go get ready for Wilder. Baby nuts said you have to train and fight him

 

No problem...

Has nothing to do with Jenner rejecting 50 million.

Wilder has more fights, what is your point? that Wilder has too much experience?

Again completely irrelevant nonsense whilst you continue to ignore the 50/50 contract Joshua received for the Klitschko when he had no unification's and only had the IBF belt which he bought for 5 million off the circus clown Charles Martin.

Again has nothing to do with Jenner rejecting 50 million

Don't know and don't care, I'm a boxing fan. Besides previous gate numbers have no bearing on potential earnings.

Just ask GGG who wasn't breaking ppv numbers and didn't earn anything close to the 33 million he received for the Canelo.

If he was to listen to matchroom sheep, he should have accepted the first 10 million Oscar offered him.

Again I don't know and don't care to know because it's nothing to do with Jenner rejecting 50 million.

This has a tad bit of relevance to negotiations which is why Wilder has always accepted AJ being the A-side.

Compare all those answers and come back to me when Amir Wilder is number 1 in any of those questions.

Calling Widler Amir, doesn't work, because Wilder has never been dropped at professional level unlike Jenner who has been dropped and stunned by Wlad and Whyte( had his shoulder not went it would have been over for AJ) not to mention, ko'd in sparring on several occasions by a cruiserweight, a teenager who told the world he slapped him around and David Price.

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You are talking absolute garbage. No one is asking them to bend over backwards, we just want to see them make a fair offer. All Hearn had to do was offer a percentage and the fight would have happened. Or at least not add extra additional terms after sending a contract which he wasn't even sure he had sent.

Hearn/AJ expected a fair deal when they negotiated the Wlad fight, even though AJ had not fought anyone of note. A point which you do not want to address.

Hearn knows he is doing when he's putting in these low ball offers. We've seen this strategy done before many times. For example when Khan offered brook the 70/30 split, I didn't see you saying Brook should take it. Because it was clear khan wasn't serious and no reasonable individual would accept such an insulting deal.

This is like khans fans being adamant that Brook is the one ducking khan, when Khan kept putting all those hurdles and tests Brook needed to pass. You remember that? Everyone called khan a ducker, because that is what he was and is.

The same we Jenner who has done exactly the same but worse. He's told you he's terrified of Wilder. He's asked you to fight for him. He said if he agreed to fight outside without hometown advantage, he'd lose his belts.

How can you sit there and defend that? Have a word with yourself, and then you have the audacity to tell me that I'm backing the wrong horse?!

Anyone who didn't have a horse in this race, was impartial and objective will tell you Jenner wants nothing to do with Wilder.

Read up the history of the WBC green and gold belt and maybe you wouldn't be saying such nonsense. You're a matchroom fan. A nationalist.

So obviously a heavyweight holding one of the most prestigious belt for one of the longest times, would mean nothing to you.

Along with fighting a man Jenner was terrified of fighting that he begged the WBA to ban him.

Wilder's doing fine, hiscareer will do fine, with or without AJ. He'll continue to make more than anyone on this site combined and if Jenner doesn't eventually find a way to grow his testicles backafter the roid use, it will go down in the history books as him ducking.

Lewis, Evander, Froch, and Fury will all agree with me on that.

 

Well Mayweather trumps them all? Wouldn't you agree? And he has somewhat the opposite opinion.

 

These guys are like trump supporters, they're in another world.

Hearn did a number on them.

They'll change anything to keep the belief that Wilder is the problem.

Jenner could do an interview tomorrow and announce in no uncertain terms and speak directly to the camera and say ''I'm scared shitless and don't want to fight Wilder'' and I promise they will try to spin it and say

''but who has Wilder fought''

''Why doesn't Wilder sign the no rematch, 8 million pound contract?''

 

Mayweather has a horse in the race. Don't you know him and Jenner are good friends?

Lewis, Froch, Evander and Fury don't have a stake in either fighters. In fact I'd say Froch and Lewis are closer to Jenner than they are wilder, so why would they basically say he is the issue unless it was true? .

They're judging it as they see it.

You're on your own in this my friend.

You're trying to defend the indefensible because you're blinded by hate for Wilder for whatever reason.

I don't like Jenner, but if he was the one pushing for the fight and Wilder was being a ducking diva, I'd be supporting Jenner with no qualms because in the end right is right and wrong is wrong.

 

I’m a Floyd fan but when he offered manny a flat fee it was ****ed up and greedy why would I assume hearns flat fee is any better?!? Flat fees for fights of this nature are clearly wrong. Also he opening admitted to putting the fight off till the right moment. Joshua must have learn it from him, the only problem isn’t people aren’t gonna sit around and fall for that trick again. How many hours where you in the gym today. AJ would say it’s not enough if you got this much time to respond you better be in that gym getting ready for them windmills

 

Well that's because she's the only one in UK that has the nuts to fight him.

 

I put some of that AJ sauce aka duck sauce on my burger earlier made my **** taste kinda sweet

 

Just answer those questions sensibly without your opinion attached, some you didn't even answer LOL just state the facts.

Then we can start from there, do you understand?

I don't think you know the answers to some of those questions or you can't bring yourself to admit the facts.

you talk a lot about AJ and Amir Wilder but maybe don't know AJ's and Amir Wilder biggest purses?

Maybe you don't know Amir Wilder hasn't had one unification fight in 40.. yes 40 professional fights.

Maybe you don't know Amir Wilders biggest live gate.

And yeah OK, Big Amir don't have PPV numbers because Amir isn't a star in his own country.

Oh and so you can maybe start to get a grip of the situation and maybe understand the reality.. you do know AJ would/will make more money fighting Povetkin and then either Whyte/Parker in April than Wilder has earned throughout his entire 40 fight career.

Let that sink in, think about that, in two fights Joshua could make what Wilder has in 40.


So you can bang on about the green and gold belt, prestige and all that rubbish.. Wilder has devalued that belt, he has stained it, Stiverne, Szpilka, Areola, Washington have seen to that, Wilder has turned that belt in to a piece of metal crap.

I am starting to wonder why AJ even wants it now, Big Amir has taken a huge dump on that belt.

Its been said "fighters make a title" so if that's the case and Wilder is being paid peanuts when compared to AJ and even AJ's "opponents"..

What does that say about Wilder the fighter?

I'll tell ya, He fights poor opponents, he doesn't generate money, he doesn't sell tickets, he doesn't do numbers, he isn't anywhere near the level of AJ on the business side of things so therefore doesn't deserve what he is begging for.

Once Amir and Amirs Fanboys understands this, Big Amir accepts his role, stays in his lane then the fight will be signed and we all get what we want.

You really need to think this through and understand why Amir Wilder is basically unknown in his own country, not on PPV, cant sell out small arenas and isn't a big deal and then you'll understand why this fight hasn't been made yet because Big Amirs demands and his fans are delusional.