"Joshua is running from Wilder, he's hiding behind his promoter and he should be" --- Luis Ortiz

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  1. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Show me some other champions that were offered 12 and a half million dollars more than the highest ever amount they had ever won and we can see if they turned it down or not. Wilder was offered roughly no more than 2 million Dollars less than he has earnt from his previous 40 fights added together.

    Hey he dont like it though, fair enough, what ever. Didnt look the worst deal in the world to me. They have time to renegotiate and still make that date in April 2019. If both sides do really want it then im sure both sides will be willing to budge on their wants.
     
  2. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    ''We've made an offer to Golovkin 30 days ago,” said Alvarez, whose only defeat was to Floyd Mayweather in 2014 via a points decision''

    “It was $10 million but we haven't heard anything back. If it happens, it happens. If not we will move on''

    GGG's counter offer - Keep in mind GGG never had recieved anywhere close to 10 million and didn't even have any ppvs or fights to the similar magnitude to Canelo vs Mayweather. His highest purse was 2 million for the Jacobs fight

    Loeffler is looking to get a percentage split for Golovkin - and not a "flat fee." He wants a split that is similar to the finalized agreement for last year's mega-event between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao - which saw a 60-40 split of the revenue in Mayweather's favor. At one time Mayweather also offered Pacquiao a "flat fee" of $40 million to do a pay-per-view fight, which Pacquiao rejected.


    GGG wasn't accepting that garbage and as a result he got a split and received 33 million dollars for their unification fight.

    So there you have it, your silly argument that the previous purses have a bearing on potential future earnings for unifications, has been completely and utterly torn to shreds.

    Though I'm still waiting for you to show me these other champs that accepted flat fees.
     
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  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    If Wilder wants a better deal he needs to hustle for it and actually show that he's worth it from a promotor's point of view. So far he's content to sit back and let people come to him with offers, and considering he's a complete douchebag that can't sell out a gym hall in Alabama that's quite wishful thinking on his part.
     
  4. inner2deepz

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    GGG sold 92k on ppv your response isn’t accurate AJ doesn’t get his biggiest payday without Wilder and vice versa. It was like that for Canelo GGG, it was like that for Floyd and Manny it’s just the way these fights work. Please somebody, anybody explain why Parker deserves a % but not Wilder?!? Also none of us advocating for a % for Wilder think he deserves 50-50 or even 60-40. For me personally 35-65 max and that’s be generous but realistically it should be 70-30 in favor of Joshua as he’s the A side and bigger draw in Britain but they both deserve rematch clauses if no rematch clause then 35-65 is more than fair
     
  5. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Is Wilder a PPV star? Is Wilder a PPV fighter?
     
  6. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Is Joshua?!? Cause he’s never been on PPV either selling stadiums out in your home country is nice doesn’t make you a ppv star
     
  7. It's Ovah

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    Um, yes and yes.

    Now, is Wilder? Answer the question now.
     
  8. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Joshua is not a ppv star hence why he’s never fought on it come on man your bias is showing Canelo is the very last ppv star there will be if we are being honest. And **** no neither is wilder. You could be less bias bro. Why did Parker deserve a % and Wilder not %. More people know Wilder than Parker?!?
     
  9. It's Ovah

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    Sorry, but what the hell are you on about?
     
  10. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    What were GGG and Canelo unifying? What Belt does Canelo have? Please dont say lineal. And Pac v May, the 2 biggest superstars in the sport colliding. Freak fight, freak numbers. I cant provide proof of anybody signing a flat fee and i cant be bothered to look for it. Maybe its never happened.

    Personally ive been saying through out that Wilder deserves a percentage split of this fight but ive also been saying i dont see how he can justify to anybody that 15 million is just chicken feed crack money based on what he has done in his career so far. We have to take in to account that Wilder will bring added interest to this fight because of a number of things but then is this PPV in the States or is this going to be on DAZN? Are people going to be willing to pay up to 100 Dollars to watch Wilder fight in the afternoon at the same time as all the mainstream sports that will be competing against it when we have to admit he isnt doing big numbers as it is on primetime slots on none PPV television????

    And as for the rematch clause. Its really really simple, Wilder is the B side and not a joint A side. A side gets the better end of the stick.
     
  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    That makes no sense.

    Wilder just beat Ortiz, after Hearn was telling him he needed to fight someone to increase his profile.

    His stock went up after that fight.

    All Hearn had to do was offer a percentage which he has done with all previous opponents, yet for Wilder it's only flat fees.

    Come on and wise up, they don't want the fight. If they did it would have been done because they wouldn't be offering ''take it or leave it'' low ball offers if they were serious.

    Joshua expected 50/50 against Klitschko after he had only Charles Martin and a ridiculous out of shape and injured Dillian Whyte to boast on his record.

    Wilder sent them offers in the past which they rejected not to mention the 50 million which is something AJ will not ever earn in one fight unless he fights either Wilder or Fury.

    The facts are he's ducked regardless what angle you want to look at it from. And one of the worst and most blatant ducks in boxing history, without question.

    This is a loud and proud coward that has had the luxury of having dumb brits pay premium ppv rates to watch him fight trash whilst being lauded as great.

    He paid a no mark called Charles Martin over the odds to come to the UK to get his belts which Martin was given after Glavskov injured his knee mid-fight. He then beat a washed up 2 year inactive Klitschko, that Tyson Fury (the true 3 belt champion) made look ordinary before then paying a decent Joseph Parker to come to the UK, where the ref prevented him being able to use any advantage he could at close range.

    And then instead of fighting Ortiz he begs Pulev to come to the uk and ends up fighting a barely trained 40 year old Takum who is half his size.

    Take out wlad and Parker and his resume is no better than Wilders except he's got the luxury of fighting in big stadiums in front of desperate brainwashed football fans looking to jump on the boxing bandwagon along Ricky Hatton's left over fans still desperate for Brit champ, who get drunk out of their skulls whilst mindlessly singing ''ohhh Anthony Joshua' , sweet carolina and ''who are ya'' after shamelessly booing the national athem of any opponent who dares to visit Britain, like a bunch of grubbies.
     
  12. It's Ovah

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    It makes perfect sense. You want something that badly? Go get it.

    At the very least Wilder needs to crash the Joshua Povetkin party. He's not in a position to sit back and make demands.
     
  13. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    My my my.... another special needs poster who just ignores facts which prove contrary to their point.

    It doesn't make sense because he hasn't just sat back you dumb mutt.

    Read the post again where I've done already shown you what he's done to make the fight happen.
     
  14. inner2deepz

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    Dawg Joshua is not a ppv star and you keep avoiding the question why did Parker get a % and Wilder not I got nothing else to say to you till you explain Parker getting a % and Wilder flat fee when Wilder is clearly more popular. You just keep skipping the question fcking answer, it’s a real simple question
     
  15. N17

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    Percentage or flat fee.. Did Parker earn anywhere near 15 million to fight AJ?

    I suggest you go and have a little look and see how much Parker actually earned against AJ because the offer made to Wilder was/is far more.