Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Tyson Fury Goat, Dec 25, 2018.
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Honest question to you...
When was the last time you had your blood pressure checked?
yeah I think Fury is too slick for Joshua as well, Hearn must have been gutted to see Tyson on form against Wilder, he pretty much admitted he would be a though fight with his "not dangerous but awkward" comment. As if Fury packs no punch at all, if that's what they think good luck to them because Fury has deceptive power, he had wilder buzzed a few times and was busting him up. AJ's face will be a puffy mess by the end of the fight.
AJ is that touch slower I reckon and its more likely Fury will get off first and out box him with his speed, slick movement and general skills. AJ is not a natural boxer, he is like a robot that has to remember moves of the fly, Fury does it via instinct so he will always be first. AJ just uses brute power/force when he is desperate, if that doesn't work against Fury he is facing someone who can think in a crisis and is able to adapt. He doesn't want this fight unless he absolutely has to take it.
I think maybe 2 years ago and it was well within the normal range around 113 systolic and 80 diastolic if I recall correctly.
Though I'm not too sure what that has got to do with what happens to Joshua were he to fight Fury, besides serving as another deflection.
If you believe I am being unreasonable, or allowing emotion or bias of such to cloud my view, then you couldn't be more wrong.
For I would love nothing but to see Joshua beat the living **** out of Fury and bring him down a peg or two, to learn him after the disdain he has shown boxing and his horrible arrogance.
Sadly what I want to happen and what is likely to happen are two entirely different things.
It's just that your posts always sound so angry... your word selection... you just come across as a wound up individual.
But yeah, the answers are coming - we'll see what match ups 2019 has in store for us. I believe Joshua bullies Fury around the ring... showing no respect for Fury's power... going to the body... uppercuts... he will hit Fury from every angle in the book something Wilder cannot do because he only has a cross and a hook/
And obviously Joshuas accuracy is levels above Wilder... probably highest in the division... if you could make a tutorial on how to throw a boxing punch or combination you would use Joshua as the model because his technique is textbook.
Plus Joshua maybe not fast on his feet... or with his head movement but he is one of the fastest with his combinations. So he doesn't need to dodge much coming his way from Fury.
I give you that Joshua has a much superior punch selection and knows how to put his punches together exceptionally well compared to Wilder. There can be no argument.
However footwork is everything at this level. Look at Pacquiao, one of the fastest combination puncher in boxing history, yet could barely land a glove on Floyd. Why? Did Floyd ward him off with formidable power? No he only needed to make adjustments with his feet and use his superior ring IQ to dumbfound and frustrate Manny.
Fury will have his long levers to keep Joshua at the end of his jab, his unconventional feints and using his feet to pivot and use angles will ensure Joshua doesn't have a stationary target to hit.
And even though Fury isn't a big knockout artist, he has enough pop in his huge 6,9 frame to ward off any fighter from walking through him. Even Wilder had to reset when Fury was firing back with his own combinations. He had to time fury, he never rushed in completely, until he was confident that Fury had finished his attack
Let us not forget that Joshua has only faced one southpaw before who was Charles Martin. And we've seen him get out boxed from old orthodox fighters in the crude Povetkin and Klitschko who was on his last legs.
So that leads me to believe that a young and hungry Fury will have no trouble making Joshua look crude and hesitant, since not only is he a big stiff when it comes to lateral movement, but also because he has little to no experience dealing with a wily southpaw who has the tank and nous to go 12 rounds comfortably.
Had he faced Ortiz, and showed he could blast him out without much effort, then there would be a stronger argument that he could easily dispatch of Fury in a similar fashion. Sadly we know he ducked Ortiz because he didn't want to deal with that problem, and when you skip class, don't expect to take away any knowledge and experience from what would have been taught in that lesson.
It's been ages since I've posted here...
Truth be told, a previous poster was correct - Nobody is 'scared' of anyone. Least not the fighters, abuways.
Hearn is scared of Fury, because it can kill his gravy train.
Prior to the Wilder Vs Fury fight, Joshua kept saying how people need to be 'realistic' - i.e. about money.
Hearn was harping on about how wilder vs. Fury was going to be a stinker and a box office flop.
Then that fight HAPPENED. Now, it seems as though Joshua is starting to feel a little marginalised. He's still the A side, but does he command as much of the split as he did pre Wilder/Fury? I doubt it.
Hearn's perspective is why make £50 Million Vs Wilder, when they can make £15 Million fighting whoever else, and more or less guarantee a victory?
For the first time, people aren't just talking about Joshua, but talking about Wilder vs. Fury. It will be a HUGE rematch, and expect the PPV numbers to at least double.
Joshua ain't scared; he's just a little marginalised, and would rather fight Wilder before Fury - But I feel he doesn't quite have that choice anymore.
Fury is not a legit southpaw he is a switcher... so its worlds apart from Ortiz who is bread and butter southpaw.
Yeah Fury has 85 inch reach buts its hilarious that he never fights at range. He is well known for exchanging close and.on the ropes. No revelations here.
No need to even mention Martin as he is a waste of space anyway.
As for 'pop' yeah maybe Fury has some... but Joshua has taken Povetkins best and Klitckos best and even Whyte's left hook.
Joshua is durable as ****. So he wont be worried about eating the odd shot from a feather fisted Fury... while landing some devasting blows of his own.. still has ann82 inch reach and aint much shorter than wilder... half an inch.
Except he has more bulk than Wilder and its all muscle. Wilder no wants to bulk in a Fury rematch... I wonder why? So he can close the weight gap and shrug Fury's leaning of with ease and add more torque to his punches.
So yeah Joshua isna much better prospect on every department vs Wilder minus one punch KO power.
Wasn't directed at you. Directed at the post you quoted.
Sorry Bro, genuinely
I'm not suggesting Fury has the pop to knock Joshua out, I'm saying he has enough to keep Joshua honest enough that he will not just launch gung ho at Fury
If Parker can keep Joshua on his toes and honest, I don't see how Fury who is thrice the fighter can't do the same.
You're correct in that Wilder would like to bulk up to as an equalizer to the disparity in size in the first fight. , difference is he only needs 1 or 2 punches to put Fury down. Joshua will need to land a barrage of combinations to get his knockout. And he will tire very easy if he is to load up early and try to ambush fury.
Nevertheless If the fight was as straight forward leading to a conclusive Joshua victory, as you would like to believe it is, then Joshua would be doing everything possible right now to make that fight happen, since it's a huge money maker in Britain, yethe isn't even putting Fury's name into the hat.
Joshua himself has said on record in the past, that it would be his most difficult test because of Fury's unpredictability and he isn't wrong.
Remember this is a man who wasn't shy in hunting down the likes of Kltischko for a fight, charles martin, Pulev whilst making exceptions to secure a fight with Povetkin in September after he had informed Wilder's team that month wasn't available due it clashing with the Canelo vs GGG fight along with problems with short notice and booking Wembley stadium.
The fact is Joshua has no problems making fights happen with soft touches, he even seeks them out, yet we know the younger and more dangerous there are, all sorts of alibi's, roadblocks, and excuses are made as to why they can't happen.
If Fury is not interested in a Wilder rematch, why isn't he knocking on Fury's door right now to secure a fight?
He is not knocking on Fury's door because Fury doesn't have a belt. Joshua wants unification, that's all he cares about on a personal level for legacy... and there will be tons of money involved but he better risk a loss to a champ rather than a contender so he doesn't lose his meal ticket.
He is making the right moves from business and boxing side of things. A man has to secure his legacy and his success... he doesn't care about Billy Joe sleeping at night wishing Joshua would fight Fury tomorrow in his home town just for entertainment.
Deontay has the belt right now and that's what Joshua wants... if he doesn't get it I reckon he will save face and not wait around on the couch or fight a complete bum and give Dillian his chance because there is a ton of money to be earned on that side and MAYBE joshua also thinks Whyte is easier than Fury... who knows what he really thinks.
OBVIOUSLY!! even a deluded weirdo fanboy like you knows that.
Of course that is understandable were it not for the fact, that Joshua could have had his unification bout a long time ago, instead of arrogantly assuming that he was the only relevant HW and held all of the cards, and everyone else should bow to his ridiculous insulting demands.
Had he offered Wilder a realistic deal to begin with, the fury vs wilder fight most likely wouldn't have taken place and he wouldn't be in this desperate position of trying to earn back his credibility.
Now Wilder is intent of righting the draw with a rematch with Fury, it is unfair to then place all of the blame on Wilder if he refuses to fight Joshua right now. Personally I feel that if Fury doesn't want any part of that, then he should agree to fight Joshua in April granted the deal offered is significantly improved.
But really Joshua should be open to all options since it is of his own doing why he will be left with no other choice but to fight Whyte. As it is he is on the belief that it is either Wilder or Whyte. As you have rightly argued there is money in the Whyte fight and it is a soft touch. Yet this discredits your initial premise that its all about legacy for Joshua.
It's clearly a fight of interest for Joshua soley due to the fact that Whyte's stock has risen and is a familiar name in the uk. He brings nothing more than that besides charity shop belts, that are frankly worthless
This is why I say it would be better for him and his credibility to chase after Fury because that would topple the whyte fight ten times over and if as you say he easily walks through Fury, then it's even better.
But Joshua's fans have more faith in him, then he has in himself and which is why he is heavily criticized and being accused of being a protected chicken with castle soldiers guarding him from harm.
Lets not forget how he and his owner made it so that Wilder and Fury would have to fight 2-3 matchroom scrubs before they could face Joshua. And Usyk has to go through the same scrub process, before Hearn feels it's warranted for him to fight Joshua. Yet Parker, Molina, and Whyte who all will be voluntary defenses are given the green light straight away to fight.
There is the one major difference. AJ can actually throw punches correctly which is quite important in boxing. Wilder is more reckless than unpredictable. Dude can’t even throw a straight punch.