Joshua/Ruiz 1/2

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joshua/Ruiz 1/2

    I keep reading various comments about these fights, so thought I would put my two pennies worth in.

    I said before the fight that I felt Joshua was under massive pressure and that I felt things could be draining for him as he is a massive brand in himself.

    To the point...
    I think in general Joshua would beat Ruiz 8/10 times and had that fight been a couple of fights earlier, won inside the distance.
    I think Ruiz caught Joshua at the right time.

    People have said about Joshua not being able to take Ruiz power but I don't think Ruiz hit Joshua harder than Wladimir did when he knocked Joshua down. I just felt it was a number of factors and partly a possibility that Joshua mentally exhausted.

    For the rematch Joshua I think boxed safe to avoid the possibility of the same situation as before.


    I really think in general Joshua would beat Ruiz 8 out of 10 times and that that was just one of the 2 times.
    I seem to recall reading Ruiz didn't want the rematch in the UK. Could be wrong but seem to think I read that somewhere and home advantage I think can be massive
     
  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Looking back at the whole prep for that fight it seems he spend too much time promoting the fight and himself in the US in an attempt to break the US market. I mean when has he hired an air craft hanger and built his own gym in prep for a fight? When has he had some rapper I've never hard of interview him in a luxury villa he'd rented? Being outside of his usual set up, let to too many distractions, allowed him to lose focus on the job at hand.

    Physically I think he was in shape but mentally he wasn't 100% focused on the job at hand and they do say boxing is 90% mental, 10 % physical. The change of opponent also wouldn't of helped. They had less time to break Ruiz's style down with more time they might have come up with better tactics and seen the danger of trading with Ruiz.

    Hearn also in an interview said there was a medical reason for his poor performance which they were not aware of at the time, but until details of that are released I'll disregard that as hearsay.

    As for the punch and power of Ruiz, the fact it was a counter punch has to be factored, he got caught mid combo while throwing a left hook and what is it they say "don't hook with a hooker" and he paid the price. We saw something similar when he fought Whyte went in for the KO and was countered with a left hook. So what we saw wasn't something new, it was an old flaw resurfacing again and it will likely be a weakness throughout his career.

    I think Joshua simply had a bad night and a unfocused prep and we saw the result. I agree that 8/10 if not 9/10 he'd come out victorious. He's the better fighter, but Ruiz maybe the one guy in the division Joshua, can't go toe to toe with and come out on top.
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Similar to how I see it.
    I dont think he was mentally right for the fight and I think it had been very draining for him for quite some time and that at that time it caught up with him
    Fury this time around for Wilder seemed to do less media and I think that was to keep away from the distractions that I think it can cause.

    As for the trading with Ruiz thing that you said. I really think most times that Joshua would come out on top and likely stop Ruiz. That is only my opinion and by no means a proven thing, but Joshuas knockdown looked a strong knockdown and I think showed he had the ability to get to Ruiz, just think it was a bit of an off time

    Another thing that I have always said with Joshua in how he has been fast tracked and under pressure, is that in all of his world title fights, he has had less fights than his opponent, whether as a challenger or champion
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    What excuses?
    I never heard Joshua make excuses. On the contrary. I seem to recall him saying he felt the better man on the night won.

    Yes before the fight, Ruiz was considered a fighter with little chance and had Joshua won like he did in the return, I would expect people would not be saying anymore.
    Still as it stands, Ruiz has one of the best individual wins of the division
     
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  5. Naked Snake

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    He meant the excuses people are making for AJ
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wasnt making excuses. But do think that in general Joshua would likely beat Ruiz 8/10 times. Only my opinion and not worth anything on the subject.
    I really just think Joshua was mentally drained and had said this on a thread before the fight. the thread was about Wilder and how he had taken the long road and was it a better route, but said then about it all being draining and I seem to recall reading something after where I believe it was Wilder who said something similar
     
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  7. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    Ruiz didn't quite have the power at 255 against Parker, and coming in at 282 against the bodybuilder in the rematch obviously hindered his speed. His conditioning at 267lbs was his optimum weight, and I'm still in the belief that he would have beaten the lighter 238lb Joshua had he came at that weight in the first fight.
     
  8. Makuza

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    I'm an AJ fan and it's clear he made a mistake trading on the inside with Ruiz, that's obviously where Ruiz is a beast standing and trading.

    AJ still rocked him hard even though he doesn't have a chin as good as Ruiz the destroyer!
     
  9. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Ruiz caught him with a lucky punch. That's all.
     
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  10. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sometimes it’s all about on the night. Ruiz won the first fight fair and square, Joshua got caught and it was game over - fair enough. 2nd fight Joshua showed true professionalism, worked and overcame some demons I’m sure and completely outboxed Ruiz. That’s how it goes.
     
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  11. Cletis VanDamme

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    This is is what you think but what we saw is he lost 1/2 times he fought Ruiz. And the fight he won he had to make his best poor wlad impersonation in which we didn't even get to see a ko.
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not disagreeing with facts
    I just personally feel he would win more times than not.
    With the rematch I think he boxed safe to ensure the win
    It is just my opinion
     
  13. theanatolian

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    Joshua fighting with the safety first approach, staying behind the jab wins 8/10 times. But if he stays in the pocket and trades, Ruiz wins more times than not.
     
  14. bailey

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    Do you think Ruiz hit Joshua harder than the punch that Wladimir landed that put Joshua down?
    Or the punches Wladimir landed at the end of the round before?
     
  15. chico g

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    The bodybuilder recovered from the Ruiz punch in the 3rd as he did with Wlad in the 6th. Problem is he tried going for a second assault and unlike Klitscsko, the blob absorbed that assault and pounded him down severely. Joshua is use to fighters falling down, Ruiz was the first guy that could take his power and fire back with severe consequences. He wasn't planning on a 12 round fight first time around.