Joshua says Fury hasn't proven himself against tough competition

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  1. moog

    moog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes but in rematches he went on front foot took centre of ring and kmocked them out. Joshua boxed well in rematch on backfoot but the occassion time the very slow Ruiz got near him, Joshua went into his shell.
     
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    Wig Boxing Addict blocked Full Member

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    This again? Big Josh fought terrified against an immobile grinning sweating Mexican blob. That farcical fight was far more damaging to the “aj brand” than the first Ruiz fight.

    That fight cemented AJ as a glass chinned glass hearted hypejob. Had he gone to saudi and blasted through that grinning little Mexican fella he’d have erased the first result emphatically, like a champion would, like Lennox did. Instead he ordered an illegally oversized ring and ran from a man with no reach. A man with no legs. Protected that glass jaw for twelve whilst Ruiz held centre ring, sweating away.

    imagine big Josh getting inevitably put to sleep by wilder rather than made to quit by Ruiz on his big American debut? They wouldn’t have been able to get him to the ring for any rematch, guy fought terrified against a clinically obese man. Literal.

    Fury gets put down twice and basically rendered unconscious by the ATG punching heavyweight, goes toe to toe with him in the rematch, bulldozes him emphatically. Levels and levels.
     
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  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Fair comment and that's certainly one way of looking at it

    You could also look at it as AJ thought I can only beat him in this manner and went with it or even the risk of not regaining the belts to his and Matchrooms immediate future was too big too take such a risk and go in on Ruiz
     
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  4. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Sorry fella

    Didn't mean too come off as argumentative ,just like talking boxing

    I'm not really that type either so hope I haven't left that impression
     
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  5. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think that's a bit of revisionism, in relation to the McCall rematch at least. King dragged McCall out of rehab for the fight, and McCall's prep outside of treatment for drug addiction seemed to consist of chucking Christmas trees around hotel lobbys and getting arrested. On the night, Lewis didn't exactly take the centre of the ring until McCall was walking around the ring sobbing with his hands by his sides. Lewis didn't drop McCall, much less knock him out.

    It makes Ruiz turning up overweight and shuffling around the ring after Joshua look like a solid effort in comparison.

    Fair enough, Lewis turning the tables on Rahman was the stuff of legend. However, giving Lewis credit for McCall but not Joshua for Ruiz, isn't playing with a straight bat.

    That isn't comparing Lewis and Joshua as fighters, but I think Joshua does deserve credit for taking the Ruiz rematch immediately and coming out on top, even if it wasn't the most convincing performance.
     
  6. Glenn McKrory

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    No worries mate, just new to the forum, been a long time reader and just don't want to get involved in any slanging matches over the Internet. Life's too short and all that, appreciate your post bud.
     
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  7. moog

    moog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If that is only way he felt he could beat a very unfit heavy Ruiz (even for his standards) then he is not anywhere near Tyson Furys level (as i suspect). Joshua is a big puncher, known as a puncher. If he was confident in his own power and more importantly punch resistance and defense he could have took centre of ring, hit Ruiz with doubled up jabs, used angles mixed it up with big rights coming in. If he used more big left hooks he could have pivoted of at angles, but when he really hurt him stayed in to finish him. Ruiz was so unfit he was there for the knockout (his feet looked like they were in treacle). Dont get me wrong i praised AJ at the time, that stands, but reflectively he seems gun shy, same with Takam and Parker fights. Joshua needs to get back to using his jab as a weapon and backing it up with more rights and left hooks. Fury took it all to a different level in his last fight and that is who AJ is compared too.
     
  8. moog

    moog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your right about McCall fight, mekory playing tricks on me. I did give Joshua credit om here for the performance, though in fairness it was a non contest as Ruiz was far too slow to trouble him. I always try to give unbiased views. Its just for AJ he is compared to Fury and the level between them in my view is big (in favour of Fury). People say AJ woukd jump on Fury and make it a dog fight if he could. Well he was too scares to do that against Ruiz, so i have my doubts. If he did Fury imo beats him in a dog fight too. AJ is a very good fighter, but he seems to be losing some of nastiness/bravery that made him the fighter he was.
     
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    catchwtboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In all fairness, McCall never really beat Lewis. He was up at six, ready to go, the ref stopped it for no reason while he was standing, and the crowd and color commentary team erupted in disbelief. I was was watching in real time on HBO, but it is well available on Youtube.

    Give it a look and see perhaps the most blatant screwjob in history.

    POST SCRIPT: Nothing against Joshua. It was a stinky couple of fights, but rather than expose a lack of heart, I think it exposed that he has had a little too much too soon. Let's see how he does against Pulev. I think he'll be better.
     
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  10. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair play. I think that Joshua is at a bit of a crossroads. If the Ruiz fight was just a case of getting the job done, and then getting back to business it will all be a positive.

    If it’s the sign of a new stick and move AJ, while simultaneously talking jibberish like Fury not having proved himself, he’s going to have a different relationship with the British public.

    The Pulev fight is really important, not necessarily because it’s a big risk, but because everyone wants to see Joshua bombing people out again in a way he hasn’t recently.
     
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  11. Momus

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    I think most people have seen the McCall stoppage and formed a view on it. It was by the standards of a heavyweight title fight an “early” stoppage, but there was clearly a reason for it bearing in mind how unsteady Lewis was in rising and how his legs dipped just prior to the ref waving it off.

    HBO went with the angle beforehand about the ref being a King/Sulaiman plant, and continued to run with it. Lampley got a lot of stick at the time in the US mags for bias, and the U.K. commentary by contrast took a more balanced view of the stoppage.

    It’s all speculation what would have happened if the fight had continued, but the consensus whenever it’s been discussed on here previously seems to be that it did Lewis a favour in the long run.
     
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  12. djfonti

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    The HW division is ****e. Nothing has really changed from the days of Wlad's reign and if he was 10 years younger he'd probably still have all the belts with no-one giving a f***. All because Sky and Matchroom gas up all of AJ's opponents doesn't mean they're actually any good. They're all plodders when all is said and done and it's only AJ/Fury that can have any remote claim to being any good.

    FFS Dereck Chisora is still competitive.
     
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  13. nurological

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    Nail on the head. People mistake hype for skill
     
  14. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    Not better than the Vlad era?

    Well at least its fairly competitive now
     
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  15. djfonti

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    It's more competitive and more entertaining as a result. The interest is back. That's not in doubt. But quality wise it isn't better. A juiced up Povetkin was losing to an old Wlad donkey's years ago and he's still hyped as one of the best guys, presumably now off the juice. Someone said earlier that Hearn repeating his script of 'Breazeale, Takam, Parker etc' in full salesman mode doesn't actually mean these guys are good. That's spot on. It's brought the spotlight back to the division but don't confuse that with quality.

    I'm a Fury fan but let's not forget, we (British boxing fans) had been saying for years how crap Wilder is. That he was an accident waiting to happen and it was a case of who got to him first. He's meant to be one of the best guys at the weight and he's got one thing in his entire arsenal but the press have made him out to be the second coming.
     
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