Joshua says Fury hasn't proven himself against tough competition

People slate AJ's approach in the rematch, but...

1) Ruiz took his best and stopped him.

You have NO CHOICE but to alter the gameplan for the rematch.

2) AJ was getting like £80m for his first fight in the Middle East.

And he was getting that if he lost! So imagine what he must be thinking if he gets the win and gets to fight there all the time? Billionaire in a few years.

Every last one of us would have done the same.

 

That's far too radical an idea for it to ever actually happen.

 

Joshua is a hater and an idiot

 

Well AJ is right.

Apart from a great win against wlad the most impressive opponent on Furys resume is probably Chisora. Fury has only beaten 1 of the current top 10 in Wilder (who has one the weakest resumes amongst the top 10 ranked fighters) whilst AJ has beaten 4 of current top 10 in Whyte, Parker, Povetkin and Ruiz.

 

Sorry I forgot the forum rules of giving nothing but unquestionable praise to Fury whilst giving AJ constant abuse and to play down AJ's resume at wvery chance despite Cleary being the better of the two resumes.

Bad mitch.

 

It's funny he says the sport is lacking talent, but is constantly bigging up his 'championship level' opponents like Breazeale, Martin, Molina, Takam, Parker etc. Despite the fact they're plodders when all is said and done. All of whom he has looked nowhere near as effective against as he did against the bin men he made his name off.

He's right in saying it, but it applies to him too.

 

The traditional way of assessing a fighter’s resume is to start with their best wins and work from there.

This apparent fixation with comparing the fifth or sixth best names, and using that to judge the “depth” of the resume, is curious to put it mildly. A more cynical assessment would be that there’s a hint of an agenda behind it.

In golf it’s about Majors not PGA tour wins. In tennis it’s about Slams rather than ATP tour titles. In football you’d trade a bucket of league cups for a single top flight championship or champs league.

Fury has more elite level wins than Joshua, hence he has a better resume and is the number one guy in the division. It’s only really the win over Wilder, but it’s a significant distinction nevertheless.

People (Joshua included) are welcome to suggest that Fury needs to “prove” himself by beating more top 20 guys. Everyone else of course is right to point out that having what is effectively 3 wins over top two fighters makes that argument redundant.

 

AJ can fight as many second division plodders as the sky subscribers can manage:

Whyteleafe-Martin-TAKAM-breazeale-molina-shot old Alec povetkin-chisora

the problem is when he threatens to step up in class he either goes life and death with the shot old shell of a retired grey haired saggy backed old legend in LADDYMEER , or he gets bounced around the ring by a grinning fat lad and made to QUIT like a dog.

meanwhile his promoter calls out wilder Ortiz and fury - whilst they actually fight each other, and instead big Josh fights another shot old semi retired midget from the eastern BLOC instead.

 

I don’t think I’ve ever read a post from Momus that I’ve disagreed with. You don’t get more reasoned and balanced than that.

 

Staying logged off when pissed certainly helps with post quality.

That and the edit function of course...

 

Top post lad.

 

The question is where we rate Wilder. By your own methodology his best win is against a very old Ortiz in a fight he was losing by miles. After Ortiz who do we have? Ortiz again I suppose. Stiverne?

See - both Joshua and Fury have Klitschko. The question is who do they have after that. Why is Wilder rated so highly? Because he’s a big puncher who knocks over people like Washington and Lyakhovic and has some weird fanclub shouting Bomb Squad ad-nauseum? The guy has beaten almost nobody of note.

Using your criteria surely Povetkin is the better win? Beaten Rahman, Chagaev, Chambers, Byrd, Perez, Huck, Hammer, Duhaupas, Rudenko, Hughie and Wach. Is that better than Wilder’s wins? Yeah.

 

Povetkin was 38 when Joshua beat him, Wilder was at his prime when Fury beat him and the same can be said for Klitschko. Fury stopped Wilder after 11 straight world title defences and beat Klitschko after 19 straight defences, the difference in achievement is night and day. Nobody is saying that Joshua is a bad fighter or has a bad resume but at present he is the number 2 in the division as backed by pretty much every sports journalist and publication in the business.