Joshua says you want Wilder fight, then you fight him

You camped out and waited to see your idol like a true dedicated groupie. You have no objectivity.

I've just shown you quotes from the horses own mouth and you are still showing signs of cognitive dissonance.

The one statement AJ and his master is left to make is ''We're **** scared of Wilder'' and even if they said that you still would ignore it and bring up the one decent win against the ancient 18 month inactive Klitschko who almost beat your boy.

There's no debating with you fools, because you ignore reality. The 50 million offer was taken to be a hoax by you groupies until Eddie had to admit that Al Haymon wasn't messing around.

It's you that needs to wake up

 

How can Hearn and Joshua turn down a fake offer?

Seriously I'm getting tired of you dumb morons trotting out the same tedious garbage that completely ignores reality. Don't respond to my posts and waste my time if you're going to dismiss things because they do not tie into your fantasy world of believing that everthing AJ and Hearn do is perfect.

Today AJ has literally begged his minions to fight Wilder for him and you don't think that is ducking?

 

How can Wilder not sign a contract in front of him?

Get out of here with your biased hypocrisy - its not welcome, let the adults talk.

 

Anyone can offer 50 mill, hell I can offer Wilder 50 mill to fight me, doesn't mean it's a genuine offer.

Just like Wilder said he'd fight in the UK for 15 mill but then changed his mind, just because he said it doesn't mean that's what will happen.

It's what you DO that count's not what you SAY and it's pretty clear Joshua is the only one taking risks and making the big fights happen and the only one to sign the contract. All Wilder does is talk and says what he will do, but never actually does it.

So you can keep believing what Wilder says, I'll keep believing in what Joshua actually does.

 

Dudes a joke hahaha quack quack

 

That's the difference I don't have to be-lie-ve anything. In every belief is a lie.

I know for a fact the deal was real because Hearn and Joshua discussed turning it down. You can't turn down or counter an offer that doesn't exist.

Just like I didn't have to believe Al Haymon found the funds to pay Conor Mcgregor 100 million. I know he did. I didn't see the money go into Conor's account and neither did anyone else besides the parties involved in the transaction, but I'd be a mad man if I said he was lying and it was all fake.

Which is how you desperate groupies sound when you cry about the 50 million offer being fake. You lose all credibility.

Like I said before, you better start getting in shape to fight Wilder for your boy.

 

Sounds more like he's just frustrated than scared, to be honest. I would be too in his position. They've already signed and sent a contract to Wilder's people which didn't come back to them, Hearn's been trying to negotiate purses with no luck apparently, and Wilder's side keep playing hardball without putting anything into the pot.

Now the Povetkin fight is made there's nothing Joshua can do till after that fight's over and done with, so any calls for him to fight Wilder any time within the next few months is obviously unrealistic.

 

Lmao your reasoning is laughable. Once again all you believe in is "talk" as I clearly pointed out in my previous post.

Hearn and AJ "talked" about turning down the "possible" $50 mill and that for you makes it fact. People talk about Sasquatch and the Easter Bunny, doesn't mean they are factually real.

As Guybino said let the real adults talk. Adults deal with realities not hypothetical pots of gold.

 

Agreed he sounds frustrated too and I can't blame him. Though Wilder isn't playing hard ball, he's playing crazy ball. Hardball would be sticking to a clear and defined line he won't cross in negotiations, Wilder can't even see the line, where there would be a line there's Wilder peeing in a pot, wearing a school girls outfit, singing the greatest hits of Weird Al Yankovic.

Wilder basically wasted their time making them think that 15 mill was enough, Wilder even made them put together a contract that he was never going to sign. Fact is how can you negotiate with someone that keeps moving the goal posts and changing what he wants. Any normal person would just say nope I won't accept 15 mill I want a split and keep negotiating, instead of wasting everyone's time putting together a contract that isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Now when they negotiate in the future in the back of their minds they'll be thinking, is Wilder being honest or is this just another long winded and tedious waste of time as a month from now he'll want something completely different.

 

Past precedent absolutely matters when you're accusing someone of cowardice and ducking. Joshua's proven he will fight anyone in the division, and that provided they're willing to fight him things will get done and done quickly. Wilder has consistently thrown up roadblocks with every one of his major prospective opponents and shown he's extremely averse to taking on any sort of challenge unless it's absolutely forced upon him.

Both the Wlad and Parker fights were negotiated with a minimum of fuss, as was this one vs Povetkin, while the Wilder negotiations have been a farce of epic proportions, from the 50 million sham offer to the no-shows to the endless twitter verbiage and back and forth drama. Given their track records, it's not hard to see who's to blame there.

I get that everyone wants to see this fight, but that's neither here nor there. Both sides need to want it for it to happen, and I don't see that sort of commitment from Wilder's side. Just a lot of hot air and posturing as per usual.

And at the end of the day Joshua will still be taking on the number three HW in the world in a sold out arena while Wilder will be stuck fighting Breazeale, or whoever he's got lined up for peanuts. Accusations of ducking kind of ring hollow in those circumstances, don't you think?

 

Like I said you lose all credibility when you say the 50 million was fake, and do not question the legtimacy of Hearn's offers to Wilder. You accept them at face value without requiring any proof.

You're a groupie, that cannot be taken seriously. You pick and choose what suits your pathetic blind fanboy argument.

 

That's true. I can't see what Wilder's negotiation tactics are, and I'm not sure even he knows at this point. He seems like a petulant child who doesn't know what he wants but is bawling his lungs out to get it. It doesn't even seem to be about the money at this stage, since he's been offered plenty of opportunities to make major coin and has turned it down every time.

That's precisely it, and this isn't a new thing with him. Everyone was foreseeing problems getting this done, and true to form that's exactly what's happened. Frankly Wilder's side seem like a nightmare to deal with, and if I were in Hearn's shoes I'd have serious reservations negotiating with them in the future. People can call that a duck all they want, but I doubt it's going to impact their revenue stream any.

 

Minimal fuss you say?

Parker had to resort to releasing tapes of Joshua getting knocked down by numerous foes, and ridiculing his punch resistance before they got serious about terms.

The reason the Povetkin and Miller fights are taking place without fuss is because Hearn wants those deals to be done because these two men pose little to no threat at all to the gravy train. He begged Pulev to fight Joshua, and was on his way to securing a fight with the crippled old David Haye before he lost a second time to Bellew.

There were big problems fulfilling his mandatory obligation to fight the unbeaten awkward southpaw that is Ortiz. Hearn couldn't find his pen then, just as he couldn't find his pen to sign that 50 millon contract, because Aj would rather fight in front of his own fans in the uk. Meanwhile he's negotiating to fight Miller in the states smh

The facts are AJ has come out numerous occassions confirming he is terrified of Wilder.

Why don't you address AJ's own words which only reaffirms that he is the biggest ducker in boxing history?

No other fighter has dared their own fans to fight their battles for them. No other fighter has conceded that they would be giving away their titles if they accepted an historic record breaking purse. And no other fighter has said they only feel confident of winning fighting in their own country.

If it looks like a duck, squeals like a duck, then it is a God damn DUCK!

 

Yes, minimal fuss. From the time they were rumoured to the time they were signed was about a month each. The Parker nonsense was more Parker's side rather lamely attempting to play mindgames with Joshua, not a serious negotiating tactic. I doubt it had any real impact on the actual negotiations. Wlad and Povetkin don't seem to have had any problems coming to reasonable terms either.

I suspect the Povetkin fight is taking place because it's a mandatory, and Povetkin has proven to be willing to take on anyone. We'll see what happens with the Miller negotiations.

Yes, that was a bit of a bad look, I'll admit. I suspect the fight would have happened eventually, however, if Ortiz hadn't chosen to take on Wilder instead. His loss, at the end of the day.

You're getting a little desperate sounding now.

But fine, if you want to consider Joshua the biggest ducker in history go right ahead. I don't think anyone's going to lose any sleep over it.

 

With your logic on the flip side you lose all credibility, not that you had any, because you "assume" it was genuine. I don't know if it was fake or not, maybe it was genuine maybe not, but I prefer to believe in what I know to be factual rather than just go on unproven words.

What we know for fact is 15 mill for Wilder was real, he has a signed contract for a fight confirming that is what he will get paid. All he has to do is sign and show up for the fight.

Does Joshua have a similar legal document proving he'd get 50 mill for a fight with Wilder? Nope and why not because when Hearn asked for the contract, they refused to supply one! Clear as day that something here isn't right.

Doesn't take a genius to read between the lines. Plus Wilder has lost all credibility, he'e been caught in a lie, he has gone back on his words when he previously agreed 15 mill, who's to know if the 50 mill is genuine when it came from Wilder, who as we all know isn't reliable as proven by his back tracking on the contract.