Joshua says you want Wilder fight, then you fight him

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  1. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    You have you have no idea how negotiations work in boxing. Let's not

    An offer is usually accepted first before a contract is sent.

    Joshua and Eddie never accepted the offer. Them asking for the intimate details of the contract before accepting the offer was dishonest.

    Finkel exposed Hearns silly games pretending be back big fish, in this email since he never provided a contract when sending a offer to Klitshko because it's not standard business practice in the boxing world.


    1-You made us an offer for Deontay to fight Anthony Joshua. This is for the same fight that we made an offer to Joshua, the only difference was that you made an offer to Deontay first. In your offer to Deontay, did you include a contract? No. Why? Because Deontay never accepted your offer.

    2-you recently made us an offer for Deontay to fight another one of your fighters, Dillon Whyte. Did you include a contract? No. Why because Deontay did not accept your offer.

    3-you made an offer to Wladimir Klitschko to fight Anthony Joshua, did you send a contract? No. After some negotiations Wladimir accepted a revised offer and then is when you sent a contract to us.

    How can you complain that you have not received a contract from us, when your own actions prove that is not how a deal is done in boxing. If Anthony agrees to accept our offer, we will be glad to supply you with a contract.

    "If he accepts it, the money will be there. Al Haymon and I have never not delivered on what we have offered."

    Thanks,
    Shelly

    There was email sent confirming the money will be from Al Haymon. The real boss of American boxing who your back peddling silver spooned spoiled brat daddy Eddie Hearn is trying to be and failing miserably in the process.

    You can be sure if Wilder was a 40 years old fat out of shape dud with no power, they wouldn't be questioning i Al ****ing Haymon along with HBO and Vegas would have the funds to stage this event and pay that drug dealing coward 50 million after they paid Manny and Conor nearly double that figure whilst rewarding Mayweather near 300 million for one night you God damn dummy.
     
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  2. Brighton bomber

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    You're naivety would be sweet if it wasn't mixed with so much arrogance.

    Asking for them to agree in the media like they wanted was nothing but PR and grandstanding so they could say Joshua and Hearn were ducking once they confirmed ludicrous terms along with the 50 mill, forcing them to back track.

    Fact is Joshua went on social media and said "let's roll", meaning let's talk, but nope they wouldn't even meet with Hearn to discuss further details.

    You pretend to know that you are some expert in negotiations, well how the hell can you discuss a deal when one side won't even meet or talk about the deal.

    And no you don't have to accept the money first to start negotiating other details, so don't go there. When Joshua/Parker was made one of the last things to be agreed was the actual split. They discussed many other details while coming to an agreement on that split.

    Nobody ever made a fight by just agreeing the money then just letting the other side deal with all the other things like location, date, venue, ring walk, network obligations, overseas sales, etc. You actually meet to discuss all the fine details a long with the purse, you don't demand one side accepts the fight no questions asked in the media and then run away when they want to meet.
     
  3. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    :lol: Let's roll doesn't translate to let's talk, or I agree in principle to the offer made.

    If it was a PR grandstanding then they would've called their bluff and accepted the offer which isn't legally binding.

    They knew the offer was real. I'm not pretending to be an expect in negotiations, however I know very well that the new way Eddie is presenting how contracts are done is not the standard business practice in boxing and there is a reason for that.

    You don’t send out contracts first and give to them to sign cause you know what happens? It gets picked apart and it goes back and forth. That is simply not how it’s done. Never in my experience with boxing have I seen a promoter and boxer say bring me the contract to review then I’ll decide. That’s Eddie playing stupid games which he he knew he would be able to successfully get away with because he has a multitude of matchroom fanboys who are unable to think critically, wrapped around his little finger and he can tell them anything he wants and they will believe it without question, before recycling /parrot the ridiculous nonsensical lying garbage that entred forth from his mouth, word for word nd take it all as gospel.


    All that little blue eyed snake had had to do was accept the offer in principle and take it from there. What did he have to lose if he genuinely believed it to be a pr stunt? He can call their bluff and make Wilder and his team like a fool. But he knew very well that wasn't option considering Shelly Finkle doesn't do PR stunts or play silly games.

    This is the same man that made the AJ vs Klitchko fight with Eddie Hearn, meaning he hasn't ever given him any reason to believe that he isn't serious. Let's not forget this is the same Manager who managed Mike Tyson vs Spinks, Evander Holyfield fights and Manny Pacquio fights and all of a sudden he's not legitimate enough for this daddies boy who is signing up up used up American D level trash Fighters such as Jessie Vargas for his alleged ''Billion pound Deal'' and talking about taking over America :lol:

    I bet you believed that lie too.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're right never has a promoter asked for the contract first to look at the details, you know why Hearn did it? Because they refused to meet him to discuss the details so Hearn instead of just accepting a fight blind with no details asked for a contract so he could see what they were asking for. What about that is so difficult to understand?
     
  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    No no no. He was asking for intimate details of the contract as soon as he received that email from Wilder

    He didn't request for a meeting until later. His initial response which was uploaded to YouTube, was rude, condescending, patronizing and extremely disrespectful to Wilder with racial undertones.

    Put business aside and ask yourself if you are Wilder, if you would be willing to immediately meet with some privileged, over indulged lying piece of excrement?

    If I see Eddie myself in person here in London or Essex somewhere, I give you my word that I will personally give him a piece of my mind and let him know in no uncertain terms that he is scum and much more. I will not forget his behavior after disrespecting legendary promoters and managers such as Finkel and Al Haymon after what they've helped do for the sport of boxing.

    I love boxing and what Eddie is doing or trying to do is trample all over it with his daddy's money whilst taking advantage of casuals who don't know or love boxing, they just want a hero to worship.
     
  6. Salty Dog

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    "Let them train to be a fighter and fight (Deontay)Wilder," Joshua told AP. "It's easy talking about it. It's another thing doing."

    I usually stay out of the who-is-ducking-who bull**** as I don't hang out with or personally know any of the players or what goes on in phone calls, back rooms, offices, etc and it all sounds like he-said-she-said to me. However, considering the above quote, I find it hard to accept arguments that Joshua wants to fight Wilder.