Joshua sons Wilder "be realistic or we freeze your career out"

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  1. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You're completely missing the point.

    Finkel/Haymon/Dibella/Deas need to operate as one team.....

    Showtime are getting fed up with it aswell, so Hearn isn't the issue.
     
  2. Papillon

    Papillon Active Member Full Member

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    But Hearn is also the issue.

    Hearn for whatever reason doesn't seem keen on facing Wilder. He's already lining Miller up for AJ'S US debut and now Whyte has won sadly we are more than likely to see the rematch before any Wilder fight.
     
  3. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lot of hate for Wilder on the forums, but AJ is being a ***** with these "I don't want face to face or Wilder talking" bull****.
     
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  4. Stallion

    Stallion Son of Rome Full Member

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    What should be also noted that Povetkin is mandatory for both WBA and WBO, and he is fighting David Price as AJ's co-feature I believe.

    Either WBA or WBO is likely to order AJ to fight Povetkin next, and given Povetkin's age, I shouldn't count on him stepping aside and waiting for Joshua to fight Miller. Either way, it is realistically impossible to expect possible AJ-Wilder fight in 2018. Now, it's a different matter that Wilder is using the situation to his advantage by publicly calling out Joshua to fight him next. I think that both sides and their teams are very well aware that's not really realistic.
     
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  5. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Hearn isn't very keen on fighting Wilder?

    He's in a position to arrange a mandatory and voluntary with him lol.

    Sadly Wilder's inability to be a draw is limting his chances of Joshua unless he stops with his crazy demands.
     
  6. Papillon

    Papillon Active Member Full Member

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    50/50 is not realistic but it is a negotiating starting point, one in which will decrease and Wilder will be aware of this.

    As for Wilder's inability to draw limiting his chances that cannot be an excuse for the fight not to happen. Outside of Wlad not one single fighter that AJ has fought can be described as a "draw".

    Negotiations will happen, Wilder will agree to much less but again Hearn is more concerned with getting Whyte the fight as opposed to getting it for the superior one.
     
  7. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Why do so few people know that Hearn is also Whyte's promoter?

    Hearn makes more money, as do his fighters joshua + Whyte, from Whyte v Wilder taking place first.

    Whyte wins - Joshua v Whyte II sells more than Joshua v Wilder anyway.
    Wilder wins - Wilder enhances his reputation and brings increased revenue.

    Whyte gets a big payday and Wilder/Joshua both get paid more.
     
  8. Papillon

    Papillon Active Member Full Member

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    There is no need for Joshua v Whyte 2.

    Whyte is horrible and isn't true world class, only Hearn and his fans want to see that again.

    Whyte hasn't improved and truly doesn't deserve it.
     
  9. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If Whyte beats Wilder and Joshua beats Parker you don't want the unification?
     
  10. Papillon

    Papillon Active Member Full Member

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    I'd rather they unify right now instead of trying to get Whyte 2.

    There's no need for any of them to face Whyte.

    There's more reason for Whyte to rematch Chisora as for Joshua to rematch Whyte.....its all about levels.
     
  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    The difference between Joshua/Wilder and Joshua and his other opponents is that Joshua/Wilder has the potential to be a bigger fight in regards to revenue than say Joshua/Parker or Joshua/Takam or Joshua/Wlad.

    Fact is Wilder has already grown his profile recently by using Joshua's name at every opportunity. He just made his career highest purse an increase of 25%. He just drew his biggest crowd to the Barclays Centre, he just did over a million viewers on Showtime which is higher than any non PPV card on Showtime last year. Wilder is doing what Hearn wants and believes can happen and is growing in popularity and making an eventual unification fight more lucrative. The fight is bigger now than it was 6 months ago and will be bigger still another 6 months from now.

    Now as a boxing fan do I care about any of this, no of course not, I want Joshua/Wilder next like everyone does. But I recognise the fact that isn't likely, Hearn has clearly stated since last year that his plan was to face Wilder in late 2018 after the fight has been promoted and built up to his full potential. We've seen nothing to suggest Hearn is an obstacle to this fight happening.
     
  12. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Surprisingly Wilder is in excellent position:
    A. He gets a fight with AJ this summer if he tones down his demands.
    B. Hearn just offered him a showdown with Whyte at the O2 in June, his biggest payday and massive exposure.
    C. Wilder goes back to PBC and fights Breazeale or Kownacki for 1$mil.

    Which one will he choose?
     
  13. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's a pretty shitty thing from Joshua to say, it's the the same thing guys like Quigg, Frampton and Santa Cruz did to Rigondeaux.
     
  14. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Terrible comparison. Rigo wanted big fights and unifications from day dot. Wilder took the path of least resistance to the top and now thinks he can call the shots purely because he has a US passport.
     
  15. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    No great HW champion has ever threatened to "freeze" their top rival out. Frazier and Foreman didn't "freeze out" Ali. Larry Holmes didn't "freeze out" Ken Norton, Gerry Cooney, Ernie Shavers, or Michael Spinks. Holyfield didn't "freeze out" Riddick Bowe or Lenox Lewis. Lenox Lewis didn't "freeze out" Hasim Rahman or Vitali K. Vitali Klitschko did not freeze out Solis, Chris Bryd or Corrie Saunders. Wlamir Klitschko didnt freeze out Haye or Fury.

    The fights got done without much drama because they wanted the fight to happen.

    You never heard the words ''ppv view numbers'' ''build up the fight'' ''N side A side''. Never.

    Because these were real Champions who did not prioritize money ahead of legacy.

    And real Champions don't place restraining orders on their opponents.