Joshua v Ruiz Press conference

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  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joshua needs to improve to beat Ruiz.
    Having watched all his fights and having watched the Ruiz defeat, I can say he's never had a fighting day in his life where he would have beat him.

    People can say "he did X wrong, Y wrong", "he had an off day", "he was caught between styles" , "he was reckless" , "he was too cautious" or whatever they see in that defeat BUT he's never thus far been much better than that, and Ruiz exploited the same flaws that have been evident in every single fight.

    So he has his work cut out. He can do it. It's heavyweight boxing, anything can happen.
    But I think Ruiz should win the rematch.
     
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  2. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The issue I have with this line of thinking is the idea that Ruiz was capable of exploiting weaknesses that Klitschko, Whyte, Povetkin, Parker and so on couldn't.

    I've always thought it's important to consider that the same fighter doesn't turn up time after time. It's impossible really to assume that someone in a sport as physically demanding as boxing will year after year, fight after fight always be prepared in the same way, to the same extent. Fighters should be allowed an off night to be explained by that, rather than every single slip up being evidence of some considerable weakness.
     
  3. Twentyman

    Twentyman ‘He’s just not that popular’ Full Member

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    Watching Canelo last night, I couldn’t help but notice the similarities in their styles. I’m in no way comparing their skill levels in which Canelo is streets ahead, but rather the way they apply pressure with their footwork, their high guard with the blocking & parrying, leaning to the side to bait the hook but pivoting themselves brilliantly to throw the quick counter.
     
  4. Jurgen

    Jurgen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo's pea sized head is also a very small target mate which he hides well in the pod
     
  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, if that's your view ...... then what if Ruiz had lost the fight by KO (he's never been KO'd before) ?
    Would you have considered it an off night for him ?
     
  6. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nearly every top fight AJ has faced has shown that he has weaknesses. Ruiz just took it to the next level, AJ had no answer for the speed and accurate combination punching. He was in the **** pretty much every time Ruiz opened up. Added to this, Ruiz took AJs hardest punches, yet many believe he will get blasted out in the rematch?
    if AJ has changed his style a bit and introduced some new stuff at a lighter weight, surely he needed more fights to get used to this, I don’t think he has had enough time to change anything significant. If he has it will be pretty impressive that’s for sure.
     
  7. bladesman

    bladesman Active Member Full Member

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    watched it sober, no comms and fully expecting to see it how i saw it first time around with Joshua outclassed.

    Wasn't the case. I see Joshua winning and people rubbishing Ruiz afterwards...
     
  8. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm making a broader point.

    For example, Lennox Lewis was dogged for years over accusations that he was chinny on the basis that McCall and Rahman stopped him. Now, did those stoppages mean Lewis had a serious weakness with his chin? Or, did the fact that he took shots and never went down, (and indeed, ended up winning) against demonstrably big punchers in the form of Tyson, Tua, Briggs, Klitschko, Holyfield and Bruno provide evidence that actually his chin wasn't that bad at all? Does someone repeatedly citing evidence of Lewis' weakness become proved right on the occasion it seems to happen, or do the cumulative times when it doesn't appear to be a weakness (quite the opposite in fact) say otherwise?

    Nobody doesn't have any weaknesses, and of course Ruiz could win again. As you say, it's heavyweight boxing. But bar the Klitschko fight Joshua really didn't lose many rounds, never mind look close to losing fights, before he ran into Ruiz. I'm not convinced that suddenly Ruiz was able to demonstrate so clearly that Joshua has all these obvious faults as much as I think Joshua had an off night.
     
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  9. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    so do you own a sky season ticket or not?
     
  10. bladesman

    bladesman Active Member Full Member

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    Well I have virgin as my TV provider...!
     
  11. chico g

    chico g Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lighter Joshua will be a better version in my opinion. But a lighter Ruiz, who needs that extra bulk will not be me thinks. And I still think a lighter version of Joshua beats a heavier version of Ruiz if that makes sense. Could be the case that a 255 version of the blob gets wiped out against the 242lb version of the bodybuilder. Time will tell, some fighters perform better at heavier or lighter weights for certain opponents. That's why the heavyweight division is so intriguing.
     
  12. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What in the hell does that mean?

    Do you pay a monthly subscription in return for which you receive a sky sports feed directly into your living room?
     
  13. bladesman

    bladesman Active Member Full Member

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    Oh. That makes more sense than your silly season ticket crap I guess. Yes. I pay for sports on TV. Via virgin as it works out cheaper to get Sky + BT Sport
     
  14. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Big Josh could quite conceivably be a mentally shot fighter at this point. His needle is all over the dial.

    add to the long list of attributes lacking
    Chin
    Gas tank
    Defence
    Head movement
    Mental toughness

    and you have a recipe for disaster stepping in against the guy who exposed all his flaws so effortlessly and so ruthlessly first time out

    still think there’s a good chance he finds a way out before December (or his team do at least)
     
  15. Jurgen

    Jurgen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Tony Dosh PPV cannot go in there and absolutely flatten Rice Pudding Ruiz Jnr then it is simply time to retire.

    There are no excuses and the only reason he would be defeated by a small baked potato on legs for a 2nd time is that he is not very good.
     
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