Joshua Vs Dubois

So every boxer who loses as favourite has been over rated if you want to be pedantic like that.

But if you going to use over rated as a way to talk down a boxer, as a criticism, that isn't the case here.

AJ did what he did and achieved what he achieved, it's written and stone and is there for all to see.

Getting slapped around by Dubois doesn't change that.

 

Exactly!

Was Tito and Shane overrated for losing to Winky?
Wlad MUST have beenoverrated since he lost to Brewster.
Lewis lost to a sparring partner in McCall, must have been overrated as sh*t.
Marco Antonio Barerra lost to a relatively unknown (to the public) Filipino boxer. Dude overrated AF!
Vernon Forrest got beat a wild slugger in Mayorga. Overrated!!
SRL lost to a LW in Duran...OVERR... you know where this is going.


If a fighter get changed from overrated to underrated back to overrated on a fight by fight basis...someone needs a f'n dictionary.

 

Achieved what ? Beating an old Povetkin ? Going life and death with a 41 year old inactive beltless Klitschko ? Beating Otto Wallin is impressive to you ? Winning the belts back after getting beat up by a fringe contender in Andy Ruiz ? A 40 year old Pulev with no reflexes who lost to Chisora in a rematch showing how much he's declined since his prime ? Parker was a good win, was it THAT good ? Especially when the ref wouldn't let Parker work up close ?

I don't rate his achievements as high as you do, almost his entire record consists of a bunch of old fighters with dimished reflexes with which is why he lost to a young Dubois so easily. And lost to a young Andy Ruiz, and struggled with an ancient Klitschko, and almost got knocked out

Overrated is a large spectrum, so your argument equating several fighters to ajs predicament can be considered a false equivalence. Especially when said fighter acheived more than aj and didnt lose to mediocre opposition multiple times. Fraizer lost to Foreman FFS. Are you seriously equating this to aj losing to Dubois and Ruiz ? The definition of an overrated fighter is a fighter being rated higher than what they should compared to the rest of the lot. Thats it. That doesn't mean a fighter is bad, but i honestly do think aj is mediocre. Losses count, you can't change that, aj is not elite. If you disagree, feel free. No skin off my back

 

I'm one that got it very wrong and can admit it. I thought AJ was all wrong for Dubois and would stop him. Instead, it went the exact opposite. AJ despite his size and physique is and will always be a mental midget with a Glass Jaw. He really doesn't react well when knocked down even if it isn't a hard knockdown. His brain just short circuits and he doesn't know what to do.

 

None of this changes history. What's happened has happened and what has been has been.

Losing to Dubois undoes nothing.

AJ would also lose to Chisora and Wardley if he fought them now. It still doesn't change the past.

AJ was and forever will be one the best heavyweights of his era. He was the next best when Fury retired and he stayed that way until Ruiz smashed him.

 

"One of the best" He still not elite, Joshua is the guy who loses to the elites to give their record a known name. Joshua was considered prime, coming off some wins and his best version yet until he got trashed by Dubois. Thats pretty funny. Joshua might have had the most world title opportunities ever at heavyweight and he still isn't the second best. Let that sink in.

 

So Dubois is Elite? Andy Ruiz is elite? "Elite" doesn't really have a set in stone meaning. Just means you are atop the division. Could be a stacked division, could be a dead wasteland. Fans get TOOO fixated on some words to the point of over-analyzation....

 

ajs not amongst the top dogs like people claim he is, and he's not very durable either. That's all you need to know. Dubois isn't elite either, it's just Fury and Usyk for now. If you try to convince me that ajs an elite fighter the conversation stops here. Nobody will convince me that aj is anything more than a contender who was gifted several title shots, not after the Dubois fight

 

What's funny is that Wardley would knock out AJ and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Also I picked Dubois to knock AJ out, I gave my reasoning that his recent run of opponents is not good and that he's lost his hunger. Which was in stark contrast to Dubois who was on excellent form and was competing at a much higher level.

If AJ fought Chisora next he'd get knocked out, let that sink in, sorry if it hurts.

 

Why would it hurt ? joshua is mediocre with a saltine cracker chin of course he losses to them. I would be happy to see them power wash his ass

 

So he loses to guys that are elite, but Dubois wasn't one of them. So what he DID lose to was one elite guy in Usyk. Oh..and FURY is elite now? Even with his thin resume and what most people saw was a loss to 0-0 MMA guy in Ngannou? You are consistently inconsistent, if anything.

 

It would hurt because you're fooling no one. You talk more about AJ then anyone else. He elicits an emotional reaction in you. Where he to lose and retire you would suffer.

Going into the Dubois fight you thought AJ would have an easy night of it.

You didn't see the bigger picture, the lack of hunger, the short cuts.

 

I thought Dubois would lose because I thought Dubois was an average who has quit twice. I mean he looked terrible against Lerena, lost to Joyce, struggled against Miller, and then he went on to whoop joshua into the dirt. There's nothing more to it. Joshua is just overrated like I said

He was hyped up to be on a comeback and then lost to another significant underdog in his 6th undeserved title opportunity

 

Like I said, you missed the woods for the trees. AJ had a comeback that was smoke and mirrors, the pinnacle of which was beating Ngannou who earnt the fight on the back of being robbed of victory against Fury. On the other hand Dubois had beaten Miller and Hrgovic both by KO. AJ had no ginger, Dubois had something to prove.

I know it hurts you when I talk about AJ like this but it is what it is. AJ was the next best for a while and he had his time in the sun. That time isn't now.

What were his previous 5 undeserved title shots?

 

Does this even matter ? He was still active and had plenty of sparring no ?

His comback wasn't just smoke and mirrors, half is resume is. joshua is just not as good as people claimed he was, which is the definition of overrated, thats why Dubois cooked his ass in a mismatch. You're making this way more complicated than it really is lol.