Joshua Vs Dubois

How is Fury elite with his resume? A trilogy w/ Wilder, who's resume is even WORSE then Fury's paper thin cv?

MOST boxers early resume is preparation for the pro game. Transitional. Just building them up to the pro game. Once upson a time, most fighters would go their first 20 plus fights against much lesser, mostly unranked opponents. AJ stepped it up WAAAAY sooner then WIlder of Fury ever did.[/QUOTE]

 

I know his losses hurt you. I know you feel it on an emotional level.

He doesn't even know you exist.

 

This is a textbook example of Projection. Many people including me don't rate aj that highly and for good reason. His last fight confirmed what we've been saying about his overrated pedigree. Smoke and Mirrors, like you said

 

Except your reason is more personal. You don't like AJ to the point of hate, and would likely discredit most anythikng he does. You and I have been through this before.

 

You picked AJ to win his last fight, I picked him to lose.

You're the only one projecting. It isn't even that well hidden.

 

Personal ? I'm basing my opinion on facts. He just got whitewashed by an underdog and this isn't the first time either. Look at the age of ajs best wins. It's strange how people are trying to dispute facts

 

To say AJ wasn’t “one of the top guys of his era” is ******ed.. and so is judging a fighter only by his absolute worst performances… He was very clearly in the top 3-5 for quite some time….

He can be overrated and also not suck….

Again, I dont like him, have never seen him as “the” top guy, and have always favored Usyk, Fury, and even Wilder over him….

I’m not sure if he’s going downhill or just had a bad performance vs DuBois - but its not a measure of his rating over the course of his career.

 

I just thought he was better than Dubois including 90% of the forum and aj also had a better "record" or something. Clearly not, and you need to take into account he's had the most title opportunities, so that means he was overrated. It's not that complicated.

 

Don't be asking 90% of the forum to back you up when you're saying they're the ones over rating AJ.

AJ didn't have a better record, I tried explaining this and you didn't listen.

Tell me about the previous undeserved 5 title shots he received.

 

Dubois got under Aj skin it is actually very easy to do as AJ is not as cool like lets say Wladimir Klitschko.

if Haye would do his antics against AJ, Aj would go in fight trying to ktfo Haye and would most likely be kod same style he was aginst Dubois.

Mean while Wlad boxed disciplinated fight and not very entertaining. But got the win.

Aj had to fight like he did against Andy Ruiz remach to defeat Dubois but he let the emotions get better of him.

Its just AJ mantality if you disrespect him he will attack you and try to ko you but if you can counter him then is game over for AJ.


Can you imagine what would have happened if Chisora spit water in AJ face like he did to Klitschko?

i very much doubt AJ would have handeled it like WK did.

 

But he does, does he not ? Old Klitschko, Old Povetkin, Parker, a rematch against Andy Ruiz, shot Pulev, Otto Wallin. These are all the guys that get brought up when people try to hype of ajs mythical resume lol. joshua is joshua, he was active and even you had Wallin in the top 10 lets not make excuses.

90% of them had aj beating Dubois, which is my point. Overrated. He was rated higher by the public than he should've been, which is definition of overrated. He didn't just lose to a significant underdog, that's not the worst part, he got dominated, dropped 5 times and brutally KO'd.

To what extend is aj overrated ? That's up to you

 

Those names don't hype up his resume, those names are his resume. That's who he's beaten. Wallin was in the top ten, that's 1 out of 4 people. AJ was cruising. He was not doing the hard miles. He was not sparring the hard rounds. He was not pushing his body to the limits.

Meanwhile Dubois was knocking out Miller and Hrgovic. Dubois was one referee call away from being the unified champ himself. Dubois was hungry. Dubois had a point to prove. Dubois had the eye of the tiger.

There's no excuses to be had, I thought Dubois would chin AJ and he did. It doesn't change that AJ beat who he beat and achieved what he achieved.

But please tell me more about his previous 5 undeserved title shots.

 

Yes exactly, that's all who he's beaten. The resume isn't that impressive given the asterisks of age.

You saw him spar in the gym personally ? I could care less about the excuses, Dubois was more hungry than aj, that doesn't mean he automatically wins his fights. That doesn't mean he can't be hurt. That doesn't mean he can't be outboxed, smothered, hurt to the body. Dubois wasn't even the faster guy. joshua was dominated because he wasn't as good as people thought, nothing more. He legit had Dubois hurt badly and backed into a corner, and his low ring iq had him brutally knocked out. Stop it

joshuas latest fight was an undeserved title shot. They were even planning a rematch. Usyk rematch was undeserved. Ruiz rematch was arguably undeserved. Hearn said if Fury beat Usyk their making that fight, another plan to give aj an undeserved title shot

 

Otto Wallin was never a top 10 fighter.

A split decision over f*** ass Gassiev doesn't get you there.

 

Not my rankings, I'm just stating facts.

He might never have been a Slyk top ten ranked heavyweight, but independently and titles he was ranked in the top ten.