Joshua vs First Knock Downs Of Ten ATG's

yep cunningham in the 80s at 6.3 and 210 and in shape would have been considered a legit heavy /dokes/weaver/bey/coetzee etc etc etc were the same size as him.

did not remember bowe was 235 someone posted for first holyfield fight but to be fair bowe was so easy fluctuating in weight do remember holyfield was very light in fight 1

simple fact is the big superheavyweight heavys of today would **** all over the big superheavies of yesteryear.

they were more noveltys and got by on size alone.
175 ward is a good fighter but giving away 75lb and 6 inches in height to modern competent champion heavys he is not going to cut it .

fury was outsped by cunningham and frustrated by him
but even then the
6.3 and 210lb small heavyweight was defeated when fury just used his huge size to just shove him 5 feet across the ring leaving cunningham off balance and not in correct defensive position and clumped him with a right hand and kod him.

no matter how much skill you have /
if you are dwarfed that is near impossible to stop.

 

Vitali - never been knocked down.

 

not by a punch anyway

 

Yep. Joshua is a fake and an unsavory character. Time will prove this even more. Watch..

 

And it was also when Vitali was only 20 years old. I think the ability to take shots improves as you reach your peak. David Tua had a cast iron jaw but he was knocked out cold by Savon in the amateurs at 20 I believe. Nobody in the pros even came close to doing that to him.

 

i remember the hype surrounding pele reid / then the rumors when vitali became a name / only recently watched it for the very first time on you tube

ironic that in boxing vitali went on to have a cast iron chin and pele reid a china chin.

savon was a beast because for all intense and purposes of the cuban system he was a
mature pro fighting young novices

i thought tua was 17
long time ago now to remember.

 

Wladimir Klitschko was down in the 1. Round in his 22th fight vs Steve Pannell
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Anecdotally I've seen plenty of monsters working doors get laid out cold by guys between 170-190. I think physiologically a man of that weight can generate enough force to lay a much bigger dude out.

The breaking point isn't as high as lots of people would think.

 

I agree, but them monster super heavys just soak up little fellas these days it seems. Its like the old saying goes, "there are weight divisions for a reason " !

 

Joshua hasn't got a glass chin but he's going to get KO'd sooner or later, I think.
He fights in explosive spurts that leave him spent and gassing at regularly intervals and he's a bit stiff.
He's an improvement on Frank Bruno but I think he's going to get stopped like Bruno was a few times.

 

Interesting thread but do consider Joshuas weight, in that often bigger heavier fighters can take a heavier shot than lighter fighters against bigger heavier opponents.
It would be interesting to see the weights of the champs you mentioned

I thought Joshua looked hurt and stunned a few times in the Olympic final. He showed he could recover from a big punch against W Klitschko

 

There are weight divisions for a reason for sure - I just think the breaking point of the average chin is being clocked by a hard punching man in the LHW division. The prob is always landing such a sweet blow on a massively larger opponent.

 

On the street I could and have seen it, its just for a light heavy to throw a punch that would have an effect on a much bigger man would leave them open to a counter of a physically much bigger stronger fighter. Its a risky somewhat suicide shot to try and take, as you say " a hay maker". There is spinks v cooney come to think of it, but Cooney again isn't really the size/weight I'm thinking of.