Since such a big deal is placed on L' s today let's see how AJ stacks up to other era fighters. I've compiled a decent list and am ONLY comparing the loss , if I actually compared quality of opponent to many you guys would probably have a heart attack. Everyone knows holding on to unblemished record is extremely difficult at HW...let's see...... Fighters who lost in their first 10 fights. 1. Mike Weaver lost his 1st fight to Howard Smith 2. James Smith lost his 1st fight to James Broad 3. Mike Spinks @HW lost 2nd fight to Holmes ( He Lost ) 4. Jimmy Young lost his 3rd fight to Hodges 5. Jack Johnson lost his 3rd fight to John Haynes 6. David Haye @ HW lost his 5th fight to W. Klitchko 7. Buster Douglas lost his 6th fight to David Bey 8. Sonny Liston lost his 8th fight to Marty Marshal Fighters who lost before their 20th fight. 1. Holyfield @ HW lost his 11th fight to Ruddock Bowe 2. Ernie Shavers lost his 14 the fight Ron Stander 3. Derrick Chisora lost his 15th fight to Tyson Fury 4. Tim Witherspoon lost his 16th fight to Larry Holmes 5. Ken Norton lost his 17th fight Jose Garcia 6. Dillian Whyte lost his 17th fight to Anthony Joshua 7. D. Breazeale lost his 18th fight to Anthony Joshua 8. Izu Ugonoh lost his 18th fight to D.Breazeale 9. Ray Mercer lost his 19th fight to Larry Holmes 10. Carlos Takam lost his 19th fight to Gregory Tony Fighters who lost in their 20 something fight. 1. Ron Lyle lost in his 20th fight to Jerry Quarry 2.Kubrat Pulev lost his 21st fight to W.Klitchko 3. Hughie Fury lost in his 21st fight to Joe Parker 4. Frank Bruno lost in his 22nd fight to James Smith 5.Anthony Joshua lost in his 23rd fight to Andy Ruiz 6. Corrie Sanders lost in his 24th fight to Nate Tubbs 7. Sultan Ibragomov lost his 24th fight to W.Klitchko 8. Joe Louis lost his 25th fight to Max Shmelling 9. Wlad Klitchko lost his 25th fight to Corrie Sanders 10. Sam Peter lost his 25th fight to W. Klitchko 11.Joe Parker lost his 25th fight to A.Joshua 12. Gerry C00ney lost his 26th fight to Larry Holmes 13. Shannon Briggs lost his 26th fight to Carroll Wilson 14. Lennox Lewis lost his 26th fight to Oliver McCall 15. Chris Byrd lost his 27th fight to Ike Ibeabuchi 16. Alexander Povetkin lost his 27th fight to W.Klitchko 17. Razor Ruddock ( legit loss) lost his 28th fight to M. Tyson 18. David Tua lost his 29th fight to Ike Ibeabuchi 19. Tommy Morrison lost his 29th fight to Ray Mercer Fighters who lost fights in 30th something fight. 1. Joe Frazier lost his 30th fight to George Foreman 2. Hasim Rahman lost in his 30 the fight to David Tua 3. Andrew Golota ( legit loss ) lost in his 31st fight to Lewis 4. Mike Grant lost in his 31st fight to Lennox Lewis 5. Muhammed Ali lost in his 32nd fight to Joe Frazier 6. Vitali Klitchko ( legit loss) lost in his 34th fight to Lewis 7. Riddick Bowe lost in his 35th fight to Evander Holyfield 8. Tony Tucker lost his 36th fight to Mike Tyson 9. Mike Tyson lost his 38th fight to Buster Douglas Fighters who lost in their 40 something fights. 1. George Foreman lost in his 41st fight to Ali 2. Deontay Wilder lost in his 41st fight to Tyson Fury ( officially a draw ) 3. Larry Holmes lost in his 49th fight to Mike Spinks 1st fight I've probably missed some important ones but covered many here of all eras...... Joshua's 19th victory over Wlad Klitchko is head and shoulders above anyone's 19 the win ...go ahead I dare anyone on this forum to look at this list and actually tell me Joshua is fighting bums .He's done far more in 20 fights if anyone actually took the time and see how most of the mentioned here got to the numbers they did...... There's still some undefeated guys like Wilder ,Parker and Fury who I'm sure is going to be added to Joshua's resume. Beyond that as I've always stated getting past the 20' s without losing is a pitfall in boxing, just LOOK at my list above.
Wow. So Wilder is going to be the third in an exclusive list with Holmes and Foreman!! Or he might surpass them legitimately get to the 50 - 0.
Maybe but highly unlikely as he would have to actually beat a top level guy as any era HW had too to accomplish that feat worth noting...he hasn't lost yet but those guys aren't Ali or Spinks level..like I said pay attention to the numbers how some fighters got there...
Correct guys like Marty Marshal far better, NOT. Read the thread and come back with actual something....how about LOOK at the actual post? Notice how many guys lost to bums before their career kicked off????? Use your head...smh. Only about 3 fights above could actually be compared to a 41 year old Klitchko in their loss but it takes thinking to see it which isn't hard at all Bums though in HIS career though, right? ...
Yes he's basically fought journeymen outside of a 41yo inactive Wlad. Oh actually I'll give him Takam who I rate as a solid opponent. The heavyweight division is dire atm, Cruiserweight is way more stacked. It's only a matter of time before Usyk moves up and schools the stiff steroid user....unless the furious one gets there first.
Realistically AJ was moved along unusually fast. Its not (credibly) debatable. Not just getting a title or in facing Wlad, even before he got a belt he was facing tough journeymen like Sprott a few fights into his career that many top hw's don't fight until a couple years later in their career.
Yes BC no one fights journeyman before 20 fights? Is Klitchko a journeyman? Oh look you answered your own question....You have no clue on the subject ... Yes I'm sure USYK has Joshua worried! And Fury ( the fat guy actually busted for PEDS when he slimmed down???? ) who I COULD have included in the list BC he obviously lost against McDermott in his 8th fight...did you SEE that one?
Sugar Ray Leonard used to say that one of his toughest opponents was a ( forgettable for us ) journeyman. So are those guys really "bums" or journeymen?---I assume Galvatron gets the difference between the two
You also have to remember that back in those days fighter frequently "lost" because Guido, Luca and Vinny told him he was going to lose.
There are a number of prospects bubbling along at the moment, and it only takes 1 of them to be genuinely world class and face AJ in the next 2-3 years for AJ to be dropped and stopped. He is well beatable if you compare him to some of the elites of the last 2 eras. We are just in a dry spell at the moment.
Did I call Wlad a journeyman?....don't think I did. Wlad is the only legit fighter above B level that AJ has fought, the rest outside of Takam are C/D level at best......bordeline journeymen. And as my recollection serves Fury beat McDermott both times....8th fight and all.....you cannot just go inventing losses to enhance your cuckold nature around AJ. And AJ should be noting USYK as by the time he gets to heavyweight he'll be the most dangerous opponent for AJ, Infact if he moved up now he would. The fact that these journeyman fighters are ranked top 10 shows how poor the division is outside the top 5.
You obviously never seen the McDermont fight BC everyone knows he got a Fury hand out in that one. I already said you answered your own question. You also are wishful thinking if you really think Usyk will pose much threat to Joshua, in fact there's a handful of HW's that actually have the necessity to make top HW's. You keep mentioning journeyman ...you obviously ignore what is posted on here, you really don't know what your talking about . If this post can't show you that nothing can. See even if Joshua lost you would still tell me he's a bum and praise guys like Liston who lost in his 8th fight to a 175 pounder...and tell me he wasn't a JOURNYMAN or he wasn't 41....... See this entire thread crushes the double standards on here and exposes the dummies , call it a new years resolution! Think about that last sentence!!!!!!!!
