Joshua vs Klitschko 2 2017

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Oct 23, 2023.


Who wins the rematch?

Poll closed Oct 30, 2023.

  1. Joshua

    19 vote(s)
    57.6%

  2. Wlad

    14 vote(s)
    42.4%
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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hypothetical: 41 year old, two loss streak, winless in 30 months Wlad takes the November 11th Las Vegas rematch rather than relying on “little bro” Joshua to indirectly extend his legacy (“The more you shine, the more I shine.”)

    “I think he (Joshua) is vulnerable, and this will be something he will need to work on.” - Wlad post-fight

    “If I have another one of these fights, I’m done with boxing. I should be good enough that I don’t have to go through hell and back to win a fight. It should be a good competition, but I shouldn’t have to go through one of those fights to win.” - Joshua to McCracken post-fight

    “It (not taking the rematch) was the most difficult decision of my life.” - Wlad, 2017

    Would the bright lights of Vegas have been a factor?

    Joshua is 0-1 in America but hadn’t yet made his American debut

    Wlad was 11-1 in America
     
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    Redbeard7, Oct 23, 2023
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Klitschko
     
    MarkusFlorez99, Oct 23, 2023
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  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I forgot to add a poll.
     
    Redbeard7, Oct 23, 2023
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wlad and Vitali blew it by going with the wrong tactics.

    I believe that Wlad could have beaten him in a rematch.

    I’d have given him a very reasonable chance of pulling it out.
     
    Loudon, Oct 23, 2023
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  5. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tough call, you always have to add the mental damage that a loss, especially a stoppage loss causes to the equation to figure out who would win a rematch.

    In this case i think Joshua would actually be more cautious as well, if its a chessmatch, wlad would have the edge but then agaim corrupt judges had joshua ahead the first time
     
    Contro, Oct 24, 2023
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sitting on the fence here, haven't voted and am interested in seeing how it pans out. But I think a significant factor in retrospect could be the bright lights of Vegas:

    Joshua is 0-1 in America

    Wlad was 11-1 in America
     
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    Redbeard7, Oct 24, 2023
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  7. Mickea4

    Mickea4 Active Member Full Member

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    I think Joshua's troubles began in the Wlad fight, I think he became a lot more gun shy following that heavy knockdown, and I think the success Klitschko had in that fight, being competitive right to the end when most at the time (myself included) were predicting an early stoppage loss, would have actually given Klitschko confidence moving forwards, so a rematch could well have gone Wlads way
     
    Mickea4, Oct 24, 2023
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  8. BCS8

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    Wlad past his best and AJ still a beast. So probably 50-50 depending on whether Wlad reviewed his punch selection for that fight. He was trying too hard to land the leaping left hook and AJ saw it coming every time.
     
    BCS8, Oct 24, 2023
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  9. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think it was omly bad in hindsight. Wasnt a bad tactic at the time. Rushing him post kd coild also lead to an aj vs ruiz situation.
     
    Guerra, Oct 24, 2023
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  10. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    Joshua easily, Klitschko was so slow. Every time Joshua turned up the pace Klitschko couldn't handle it and got knocked down.
     
    reckless, Oct 24, 2023
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  11. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On the flipside, when Joshua finally turned up the pace in round 5 he gassed out for 5.5 rounds (halfway through round 5 to round 11). Wlad decided to box after round 6 and place his faith in the Matchroom judges, rather than risk gassing going for the finish against a badly hurt, gassed out, demoralised, out on his feet Joshua, which in retrospect (and quite obviously at the time) was a grave tactical error.
     
    Redbeard7, Oct 24, 2023
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  12. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joshua wins earlier............
     
    northpaw, Oct 24, 2023
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  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    AJ
     
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  14. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's Klitschko you're talking about. How could you predict an early stoppage loss?
     
    OldSchoolBoxing, Oct 24, 2023
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  15. Mickea4

    Mickea4 Active Member Full Member

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    Well I've never been scared of a wild opinion
     
    Mickea4, Oct 24, 2023
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