Joshua vs Klitschko 2 2017

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Oct 23, 2023.


Who wins the rematch?

Poll closed Oct 30, 2023.

  1. Joshua

    19 vote(s)
    57.6%

  2. Wlad

    14 vote(s)
    42.4%
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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    41 year olds don't do well in rematches
     
    Reinhardt, Oct 25, 2023
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  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tony Thompson did a couple of times. But no doubt true as a general statement.
     
    Redbeard7, Oct 25, 2023
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  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad let the world down that night at Wembley. He helped create the Hearn-J monster when he had a chance to destroy the immature pathogen. His brother is probably the worst cornerman of all time too.

    The fact Wlad pulled out of the rematch means he probably didn't have the belief to win, I'm afraid.
    He was almost as happy with the loss as his coach, who couldn't wipe the smile off his face. It's weird, because Banks wasn't so happy after Fury beat Wlad.

    Anyway, since Joshua became gun shy after that fight, it did give Wlad a chance to land and win. But Wlad also didn't seem to believe he could win. So really it's very hard to pick between them.

    All I know is that Wlad would utterly destroy AJ at any time before 35, and probably up until the Fury loss also. The only people who beat Wlad were fighters who took massive punishment first to gas him or Corrie Sanders who caught him with his fast hands and gentlemanly boxing he picked up part time when he wasn't playing golf.

    Just imagine AJ taking the shots Brewster absorbed round after round. AJ fans probably think he could do it, lol.
     
    MorvidusStyle, Oct 25, 2023
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "His brother is probably the worst cornerman of all time too."

    Indeed. It's almost as if Vitali subconsciously wanted to sabotage Wlad in order to make himself look better:

    - Vitali wanted a shot at Lewis ahead of Wlad, advised Wlad to retire prior to Peter 1, prevented Wlad from becoming undisputed heavyweight champion by holding the WBC belt hostage from October 2008 to December 2013 and claimed that he told Wlad not to go for the KO against Joshua after Wlad dropped him in round 6

    "But Wlad also didn't seem to believe he could win."

    Possibly but it's not as simple as that. Wlad wanted "little bro" Joshua to go on to great things (including beating Fury if he returned) to make him look better and Wlad beating Joshua would have worked against that by damaging Joshua's confidence and adding wear, as well as making the hated Fury look better (Wlad's perceived prime would have been extended along with Fury's win aging well). If Wlad had won the rematch then he'd have likely been contracted for a trilogy and if he'd won that too he would have risked ending Joshua's career before it even really began, along with making Fury look better still. Whether Wlad won the 2nd/3rd fights or not Joshua would have probably taken a lot more physical and mental punishment, which would have hindered him in future contests.

    Wlad's comment on Joshua being vulnerable suggests that he did believe he could win, even if he wasn't fully confident in that outcome. The fact that he stated how difficult the decision to retire was also suggests he felt he had something left and was grappling with a lot of factors.
     
    Redbeard7, Oct 26, 2023
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  5. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That one shot dropped that Joshua got me jumping out of my seat.

    But you gotta give great credit to Joshua, he really endured brutal Wlad, power, and TKO me of the all time great, longest reigning champions. But age was clearly a big factor in Wlads loss

    but it was very competitive fight, and I think I would like to think Wlsf would be more focused and determined to win the rematch.

    but then, again, what was beyond his control was his reflexes were clearly slipping with age
     
    Heavyrighthand, Oct 26, 2023
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A fantasy fight that Joshua wins for a change, 19-14.
     
    Redbeard7, Oct 31, 2023
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  7. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Wlad 2017 beats current Joshua and Fury.
     
    On The Money, Oct 31, 2023
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  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a shame he want out sad vs Josh and ducked the rematch.
     
    Redbeard7, Oct 31, 2023
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