Joshua vs Ortiz - Who would have won?

I think Ortiz 3-4yrs younger would have knocked Joshua out in a cold and brutal fashion. AJ don't have those crazy windmill style if he is in trouble like Wilder had, and Ortiz was much older than in his prime (Jennings fight was PRIME Ortiz, he looked unreal brutal there). Wilder turns into an animal if he is rocked hard and this was the problem because Ortiz was caught several times after he was very offensive before. Ortiz is a horror matchup for everyone out there and as we saw Joshua was in deep trouble every time Parker went to the inside. Ortiz counter punching skills are too good by the way. Even if AJ is fighting like saturday Ortiz will knock him out sooner or later.

 

Ortiz is too long in the tooth. Chance of an early/mid ko for him tho.

 

A hard fought Joshua win.

 

ortiz is a dangerous fighter for anyone

but he was much shorter than advertised more 6.2 than 6.4 and even with a title at stake was not prepared to get in tip top shape

could he beat joshua /yes he has power
would he have / the saftey first joshua v parker IMO would beat ortiz / joshua fought a saftey first boring fight but he made very few mistakes and lleft very few openings and his height and length would give ortiz problems getting to him.

 

Would be similiar to the Wilder fight. Grandpa Ortiz would come at the bodybuilder, and would walk into big combos before being dropped and stopped. . Ortiz is a aggressive fighter, he just keeps coming forward. I don't think that would bode well, because he's just too slow, to evade whats coming back at him. He hasn't fought many big punchers, and he couldn't deal with Deontay's offensive, despite having landed alot of his own shots. I think he's dangerous, but not as durable as some people think.

 

Why are you asking past-tense? Both are still alive, this could easily still get made.

 

I dunno, Ortiz is pretty old, has high blood pressure and by the time AJ has unified and dealt with all his mandatory obligations and Fury, it could be 2020, by then Ortiz may succumb to old age, lol.

 

Joshua would likely stop Ortiz. Ortiz would of course be dangerous with his power and counter punching but he is old, slow, doesn't throw a lot of punches and is pretty flat footed.

I see Joshua controlling the fight behind his jab, but unlike against Parker and Takam, Ortiz will be easier to get too due to his slow feet. Joshua breaks him down and stops him.

 

Why assume Joshua needs to (or in practice will) unify and deal with his championship obligations before Ortiz, though? Sounds a little best case scenario. If his camp and Wilder's remain at odds negotiating in circles for a while, and Fury's comeback fizzles out with his weight never dropping below 300lbs, that leaves a prospective Ortiz match-up vs. a mandatory defense like a Pulev or Povetkin or Whyte II. Should none of those be available for whatever reason (injuries, politics, failed drug tests) it doesn't take long going down the line to reach Ortiz's name, for marketable rated heavyweights the public would accept for a Joshua challenger.

 

Joshua wins comfortably probably via ko as Ortiz gets desperate. I'm purely basing that off the fact Ortiz looked like garbage in his few fights leading up to wilder and had lost more than just a step. I think the performance against wilder flattered to deceive. Wilder can be outboxed by guys you'd not exactly call adept boxers, so a stand out amateur Cuban you'd expect to dominate him with absolute ease. Maybe 3 to 5 years ago that would have been the case, but Ortiz has slowed down and gets hit more in each fight. I don't know if it's age or having to fight clean, but the Ortiz that ko'd Jennings is long gone.

 

AJ kos him for sure

 

AJ on points in a dull decision .The ref prevents Ortiz from working in close.

 

Well even if the Wilder fight doesn't happen 2018 is out of the question. Miller in the summer is likely next then if Wilder doesn't happen Povetkin happens which is Joshua's WBA mandatory.

Fury is already below 300lbs, last time he gave a weight he weight 282lbs and he seems to have lost some more weight since then, he's probably about 270lbs right now looking at him, maybe less. I doubted he was coming back, but now I'm pretty certain it will happen at some point in 2018.

So with Fury's return that means Joshua can right off 2019 for a Ortiz voluntary as by early 2019, Joshua IBF mandatory will be past due, so that has to happen, then Fury in the summer, then of course Joshua's WBA mandatory again. Plus I'm forgetting about his WBO mandatory so even if Fury doesn't return, Joshua's 3 annual mandatory obligations ensure he doesn't get to have a voluntary.

Only was Ortiz fight Joshua in 2019 is if he becomes a mandatory and considering he currently isn't even ranked by the WBA, IBF or WBO, probably due to his failed test, he isn't becoming mandatory for any of Joshua's belts anytime soon.

Joshua won't relinquish any of his belts to just fight Ortiz, he wants to become undisputed champion and will do his hardest to keep all the belts until Wilder does agree to unify.

 

Joshua would beat him. Ortiz for me the most skilled man in the division but his style is nuetralised by the long reaches/safety first tactics. He's too hampered by his short reach. Its the only style he,d really struggles with. Malik Scott exposed it a bit. He,d be a much harder fight for parker/povetkin. But hes struggling with the reaches of wilder/Joshua. Just a bad style for him. Everytime he goes forward they go backwards. His slow footspeed can't close the gap fast enough. Hes terrific on the inside...used to really mug people by letting guys hit him to get them on the inside...before getting his own work in and outlasting them. Pretty sure Jennings hit him with a lot more punches in their fight. But jennings still ended up getting busted up.

No reason why it can't get made because hes a strong puncher/good fighter etc...but stylistically its the worst match up possible for him. Same as wilder was.