Joshua vs Povetkin is an absolute mismatch and was well calculated by Eddie Hearn!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by f1ght3rz, Jul 3, 2018.


  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Even skills like counter punching require attributes like reflexes that decline with age, to think otherwise just exposes your bias or lack of understanding to realise this. How about Ortiz's well know high blood pressure which he was on medication for and is synonymous with old age. Look at the study below and tell me that didn't effect his performance in any way, this is science, not opinion.

    "Even in the absence of structural or functional heart damage, elevated BP in elite athletes, together with the presence of autonomic dysfunction, leads to decrease in exercise capacity"

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25460373

    You can pretend Ortiz didn't look good but the majority will disagree with you. Ortiz even before the Scott fight was never as good as people thought he was, I said before he would struggle with Scott's movement and he did. Scott loses to gatekeepers like Chisora, hell Chisora stopped him yet Ortiz couldn't even do that. The Martz fight was an impressive stoppage but he looked awful doing it, he was slower and reaching for shots like I have never seen him do before. Allen is a journeymen a domestic level fighter if Ortiz was any good he should of blasted him out.

    You're altering your narrative to fit your opinion rather than simply looking at the facts. Simply put you are not using the same reasoning for one fighter to another even when there are clear parallels because it doesn't suit you too.

    Yes Povetkin is passed it, he won't win, but he's still a top heavyweight and no worse an opponent for Joshua than Ortiz was for Wilder. I used the same reasoning when Ortiz fought Wilder, which is why I favoured Wilder to beat Ortiz, though I expected it on points. Wilder was a good win for Wilder just like Povetkin will be a good win for Joshua.

    You can't have it both ways. Either one is a good win for both or a terrible win for both, to see it any other way is just misguided and simply wrong in my opinion.
     
  2. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    The whole "high blood pressure" thing and how serious it is is based on speculations and presumptions.

    Do you guys really think they would let Ortiz fight a world title fight in front of 10k spectators at the venue + hundred of thousands (or million) in front of their tv screens if he is seriously sick and there is a chance he wouldn't make it out of the ring living? Especially in New York where some really bad tragedys happened in the past. No ****ing way, man. It might be an issue but how serious it is we all can't say at all.

    I know it's common and "IN" to post some studies to try to confirm a point, it's a new modern thing especially from some wiseacres but it's absolutely unnecessary at this point because we don't have the Luis Ortiz medical record here to make a proper statement about his condition in 2016, 2017 or 2018.

    Scott was running away like Usain Bolt for 12 rounds. Rewatch the fight. I doubt you have seen it if you think Ortiz struggled in ANY way there. He knocked him down three times and won 12/12 rounds. I won't call this "struggled with Scotts movement" lol...
    And as i wrote before: Martz and Allen isn't something we have to talk about. Ortiz didn't have a proper training camp for both of his fights. Ortiz didn't have more than three weeks for the Allen fight btw, he was settled in late. Btw Dillian Whyte wasn't able to stop Allen five months before Ortiz fought him in a 10 rounder (ortiz vs allen was a 8 rounder)

    And yes i can say Ortiz is a better win for Wilder than Povetkin for Joshua and i think i explained it fairly well here.

    You have to watch more boxing then you might understand why Ortiz is much more dangerous opponent at 39 than Povetkin is.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't particularly believe the whole he was given the last minute OK to fight Wilder because of his blood pressure either, there's no real proof to that statement it's all just rumours and conjecture which I'm not even going to bother discussing that further as I don't like to deal in rumour and conjecture.

    But he obviously had a big enough issue with his blood pressure for it to warrant medication, the same medication my 86 year old father takes. So while it may not be as bad pretended it was it clearly was an issue and could of effected his performance. Fact is Ortiz is old and he has declined, I can see that with my own eyes.

    Ortiz clearly struggled with Scott's movement. I said before he is flat footed and doesn't move well and it proved to be the case when he went up against a mobile target like Scott. Did Scott win or was he competitive no, but he gave him far more trouble than many expected because of Ortiz's poor movement and inability to move through the gears and apply pressure. Maybe Ortiz would of always struggled with Scott's movement in his prime I suspect so.

    You explained why you think Ortiz is a better win for Wilder than Povetkin for Joshua but your reasoning is flawed and illogical which is why another poster called you a troll. Make a outlandish and illogical claim people will call you a troll. Note I am not calling you a troll, I just think your reasoning is inconsistent.

    I watch plenty of boxing, hence why I'm on here debating this with you. Now you might very well be proven right, perhaps Povetkin is garbage now and goes on to lose after the Joshua fight to a nobody and Ortiz beats a decent name next, proving your point. But that doesn't mean your reasoning for your opinion is correct.
     
  4. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    There is no illogical claim saying Ortiz is naturally a much more dangerous fighter than Povetkin is especially with both declining overall because of being in their late 30s.

    5-7 years ago i would agree that both are equal in terms of rating the WIN but today it isn't the case.
     
  5. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Joshua does not have a great chin. There is the chance Povetkin has.
     
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  6. boxfan99

    boxfan99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Povetkin is so easy, it's strange why Wilder is still avoiding him. I guess it's easier to let Joshua do all the work collecting belts and fight the fighter (Povetkin) Wilder ran from.