Joshua vs Ruiz: Anatomy of an Upset (Video)

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Watching these moments from the first fight all over again, I think these habits might be too engrained into Joshua's style to fix so soon in a rematch against a fighter with a style that exploited them so well the first time around. What do y'all think?

     
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    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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  3. Carl Weathers

    Carl Weathers New Member Full Member

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    Great video mate , your analysis was spot on. Can't wait for the fight this Saturday !
     
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    DynamicMoves Active Member Full Member

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    Hey Bogotazo, been a while. I see you've moved to dailymotion, youtube giving you trouble?

    Your videos seem to be getting better.
     
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    Wagoat Member Full Member

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    That’s what i noticed too ruiz controlled the distance so effecient he was always or complete out of range or all the way in beutiful work from ruiz also that jab was spot on

    Rooting for Joshua but i dont think he gonne win because man ruiz is just that good i think
    And i never really though he was that good knew he was decent but now he fights just way better than his previous fights
    Totally diffrent ruiz compared to the Parker one
    I think after he loss to Parker he had a layoff i think in that layoff he dedicaties to his craft and improved tremendalsy
     
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  6. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile I Live! I Die! I Live Again! Full Member

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    Liked the video. Liked the analysis. Speed kills and Ruiz has got it. If that first fight wasn't the result of Joshua getting concussed in sparring coming into the match hurt, and he doesn't have some really smart people in his camp who can make some rapid adjustments to his style, we might be looking at a duplication of the first fight in their rematch. In recent memory only Emanuel Steward has been able to fix top heavyweights like that after knockout upsets. Usually, what happens when a star goes through a rough patch, they fire their trainer pick up a new one, have a little success and then crash and burn. This is what happened with Buddy McGirt and Kovalev, Gil Clancy and George Foreman, Teddy Atlas and everybody.

    We're about to get a demonstration of Joshua's boxing IQ and how well he can adjust in rematches. Some guys avenge all of their defeats like Lewis. Some guys get better in rematches like Joe Louis and Floyd Mayweather Jr. But sometimes a guy has your number like Marquez had Pacquiao's or Vernon Forrest had Shane Mosley's. I've seen people fight a series and come out with a different outcome every time. Maybe, Ruiz will implode under pressure like Oliver McCall in the Lewis rematch? Maybe, Ruiz will get hit with a good punch early on and not recover? Maybe, Ruiz will change his game plan, or not change his game plan and be too predictable? Perhaps, he'll get overconfident, take Joshua too lightly. Heavyweights can be really inconsistent like Riddick Bowe was. That's why we play the match, because you never know until it happens.

    To me this is still a competitive fight. In the first one Ruiz was a major underdog without much hope of a chance. Now, I think the odds are fairly even. Joshua did score a knockdown on Ruiz, so we know he can hurt him. He just needs to do that again and keep him down this time. Joshua the bigger man needs to pump his jab to keep Ruiz at a distance, probably stay moving laterally on the outside to keep Ruiz from squaring up with him and getting inside. He's not as fast as Ruiz, so he'll have to time him; watch that footage of their first fight over and over and lay some traps. Plus, like what you said keep his head off the center line, bring his hands back to guard after a punch, and not back straight up. Joshua's got a lot to work on. Ruiz, I wish would just do a sit up.
     
  7. BoJangles

    BoJangles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the mybookie betting odds are similar to the first fight!! Steward tried his best to rebuild Waldo Klit after Sanders destroyed him and Waldo imploded again against Brewster and hit the canvas often and almost lost to Sam Peter... It took several fights for Waldo to Master the Art of the Octopuss to dominate the Heavyweight Division for a decade!
     
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  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile I Live! I Die! I Live Again! Full Member

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    Yes, but the point is that Wlad did it, after being knocked out by Ross Puritty and Lamon Brewster he comes back and avenges his loss to Brewster. And Steward fixed Lewis too. He gets knocked out against Hasim Rahman and then destroys him the next time out.

    Or think of how Simon Brown sparked out Terry Norris who came back to outbox Brown in the rematch? Tommy Hearns gets knocked out in his first bout with Leonard but outboxes him in the second. Duran outboxes Leonard in the first fight and says No Mas in the second.

    Rematches are far from a sure thing. Roman Gonzalez boxed Rungvisai's ears off and then got demolished the next time. Rungvisai scraped by Estrada and then got schooled. Let's not forget that there is always the potential for a robbery even if things go smoothly otherwise. That's why I stopped betting.
     
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  9. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great work

    Gun to my head i pick Ruiz by stoppage again. Why? Well he is faster, a better combination puncher, better inside, takes the punches better, seemed to have better stamina and seems to have a style that is poison.

    The doubts around my pick: Ruiz was a late sub, Joshua may have underestimated him, possible adjustments, Ruiz maybe not being as hungry or maybe he comes in overconfident and Joshua comes in looking to prove something, and the odd location for the fight

    Observations the night of: Ruiz just shocked Joshua who had no idea how to handle Ruiz's style. I did score round 1 and 2 to Joshua but it was quite apparent what Ruiz was trying to do and was coming up just shy and was still a little tentative but you could see what he was setting up.. Very similar to the way Garcia started to time Khan. The biggest flaw was actually pointed out by my father while watching the fight and that was Joshua not finishing combinations when missing the first punch. It became very predictable for Ruiz if he made Joshua miss, Joshua did not throw a follow up punch so Ruiz knew he was safe to stay in and let his hands go. I thought Joshua tired unusually early and that he did quit in there.

    Observations after: I spent a little time in the explaining how joshua could win a rematch. I did think he won rounds 1 and 2 and then 4 when Ruiz was tired as hell and took the round off. I also noticed that when Joshua moved on the outside Ruiz followed him and did a bad job cutting off the ring. I felt with a better prepared Joshua who didnt get caught in the third and having fresher legs he might have been able to out maneuver Ruiz in a rematch and wait for Ruiz to tire just enough and then pour it on

    Observations following rewatching the fight this week: I'm not so sure I would give Joshua 1,2, and 4. Ruiz lined everything up perfectly but he did let Joshua off the hook big time in round 4 and it did take him quite a few rounds to end the fight after seemingly having Joshua in trouble. Not sure if that is really a knock or not but he did have his way with Joshua after the 4th

    My hangups on the rematch and why I'm struggling a little to be fully sure of a Ruiz win also include:

    1) Joshua's weight and preparation. A lot has been made of his muscle mass and his endurance. He had an issue with tiring vs Klitschko and in the first Ruiz fight. Did he address this issue

    2) What stylistic adjustments were made by either guy. I guess logic would lead me to believe that Ruiz had so much success that all he has to do is do the same thing he did last time and he will win. Well I feel Joshua is in the position of greater possible improvement and that puts him in a unique position to really adjust off of last time and throw out some surprises. How Ruiz reacts to these adjustments will determine the fight

    3) I feel like history is not on Ruiz's side. I think of guys like Johanson, Rahman, McCall, Spinks and Douglas who scored these monster upsets and then that was it.

    4) The third round. I hate lucky punch I really do but really up until the Ruiz knockdown it looked like a Joshua fight. He boxed carefully the first 2 rounds and was arguable up or even and then dropped Ruiz. Sure I didn't think Ruiz was on ***** street but he went down and joshua jumped on him and at the time I said to myself well thats it. Ruiz fought a smart 2 rounds and it looked like it was going to be an interesting fight and now predictably he is on the canvas doing what he was picked to do. Then out of nowhere Joshua is hurt and you know the rest. Without 2 knockdowns and nerves/fatigue setting in does a more confident and not dragged into a brawl Joshua fair better...I dont know

    Really excited for this fight and it just gets more interesting the closer we get
     
  10. BoJangles

    BoJangles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't worry, Ruiz is always Hungry!!

    He'll see Joshua as someone trying to take money away from him that he's gonna spend on food! Make him fight real hard!!!
     
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  11. PistonHondai

    PistonHondai New Member Full Member

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    All AJ needs to do is give the same performance he gave on the Parker fight and he’ll win the split decision.
     
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  12. uranage

    uranage Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    If Joshua stay mid-range, he'll beat Ruiz all day. Ruiz has fast hands but I don't view him as some power puncher, any boxer that get hit on the temple will be concussed...Joshua actually dropped Ruiz with a hook to the jaw.

    We are talking like Joshua has never beaten any good heavyweights or is no longer good, his resume is better than Ruiz.


    As Manny Steward once said "You don't beat world champions, win world championships and Olympic medals if you are not good."
     
  13. MorvidusStyle

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    Interesting vid. I also enjoyed the simple pleasure of watching Joshua get punched in the face repeatedly, and a little cameo from our old friend Povetkin nailing him a few times for good measure ... if only Alex was the same age as Ruiz when they fought.
     
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  14. chico g

    chico g Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The bodybuilder gonna drop too much weight. He's not a runner at all. His power will be too diminished to fend off that ferocious blob. He'll get trapped in the corner like a scared lost lamb, and belly slammed up to the turnbuckle, and will be beaten the snot out of.
     
  15. LeeD1982

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    There was zero doubt in my mind that Lewis would KO Rahman in the rematch. I'd have put my house on it if I'd have owned one back then.

    AJ-Ruiz is completely different IMO. It wasn't a punch from the Gods. AJ was manhandled and made to quit … in my opinion.
     
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