Joshua's gas tank wasn't much better than a 41 year old's

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  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I scored the Joshua/Parker fight a draw and genuinely believe it was a dead even fight. Only Joshua fanboys promote a comfortable victory. Joshua looked pretty bad for some superstar, however Parker is a very good highly rated fighter himself so maybe no shame in being level with that sort of talent.

    Joshua's stamina is certainly his biggest weakness from the outside looking in.
     
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  2. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’ve seen it before as well,Dillian Whyte fight he gassed out but what does impress me is how he takes a few rounds off and gets a second wind.
    That’s what Wilder will be pinning his hopes on
     
  3. BCS8

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    Dino :pipi

    AJ barely scraped past Grandpa Wlad and Dino has him way ahead of a prime version?

    The Dino hate train keeps rolling on :duh
     
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  4. BCS8

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    Ortiz wasn't a day older than 93. SMH. Haters....
     
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  5. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Vlad was in the best shape he had been in years, but that doesn't deflect from the fact he was too set in his ways to do what he needed to do to actually beat AJ. Too set in your ways is what old past their prime people do. Needed to step on the gas and get him the **** on out of there but got too comfortable and didn't want to gas himself which he had been prone to do before following Emanuel Stewart's formula. Stewart if he was alive would've been all up in Klitschko's face if he was alive. I don't think anybody else could do that, only Stewart could yell at Vlad I strongly suspect. I saw a fight where Wlad got upset about Stewart getting in his face but that's what he needed in that fight which saw a KO afterwards, and the AJ fight.
     
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  6. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    make a thread about it then.
     
  7. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    how on Earth do you figure that? you just exposed yourself as a Brit idiot making shyte up to hype your fighter.
     
  8. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't encourage him but if he does he'd lose the debate. Wilder showed he can throw bombs for 11 rounds (and every second of those rounds) against Duhaupas averaging around 60 punches a round, which is prime Holyfield type of banging. Shown time and again he has power reserves in store.

    The reason why he isn't doing that in every fight because the gameplan changed to throwing sniper rifle power punches since one punch is all that he needs. Obviously if he's playing a precision game, if he's landing he wins the rounds anyway because they always have an effect on the opponent and he'll be fresher later. Nearly every heavyweight will slow down sooner or later and be unable to avoid Wilder's right hand no matter what they do. Hell most are done after 4 rounds, let alone 12. This is really obvious by the way. If somebody wants to criticize that gameplan, go ahead but that has nothing to do with Wilder's actual stamina. Criticizing his stamina just isn't credible outside of fanboy and AJ protector circles, he's one of the few that can bang for all 12 rounds and every second of those rounds, AJ can't, Fury maybe at his best, not many else out there.
     
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  9. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what has Fury ever done to make you think he has that kind of stamina? i told that guy to make a thread himself so he would stop whining like a spoiled three year old. i question Wilders chin, but definitely not his stamina. Joshua has chin questions himself, along with stamina issues. Fury is packing grade a china. Parker just isn't a big enough puncher or active enough. odds are one of the younger HW's comes along and cleans the bunch of them out within a couple years.
     
  10. Blackclouds

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    The championship Vlad fight. I didn't see any issues in any of his other fights either when it comes to stamina and since he needs to bang guys out if he wants the knockout, without great power. Looking around the heavyweight division, there's very few that don't gas and or don't have to fight at a measured pace to go past 4 rounds. Far as heavyweight prospects go, none out there that look anything near special or beyond just an opponent for the current top. Nobody with an it factor, just solid prospects so odds are you're wrong about that too. Some guys like Dubois are at least 4 years away from a title shot.
     
  11. Angler Andrew

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    Great post,that Wlad came out more aggressive was testament to how embarrassed he was about his Fury performance but you’re right,when he needed to go all out he was too wrapped up in pacing himself,something a big heavyweight shouldn’t think about.

    Mighty impressive performance from both guys though,when AJ knew he had recovered his demolition of Wlad was spectacular,that money shot,the uppercut was such a nice bit of boxing,kept his shape ect.
     
  12. rski

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    People underestimate Wlad on that fight, just because he was 41 doesn’t mean he was useless. He could easily be beaten any heavy in the world that night. He made Joshua work for it, his inexperience gassed him out thinking he had the fight won. I’m not an AJ fan but he proved a lot in that fight. He also showed his glaring weaknesses and will probably adjust to a more boring style to prevent a gun fight like that again. That’s probably his best fight done, the rest will be easy KOs or boring play it safe. Wilder will be interesting, I could see AJ losing quite easily. Agree he is too bulked and will suffer the same fate as other hugely muscled fighters if in with certain opponents. Some fighters in the last few decades would beat him easy.
     
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  13. Gomo

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    Yes. Ive never seen wlad move or box like he did against Joshua. We all know he was used to beating smaller sub par guys with his ponderous jab/clinch.

    He might have been 41 but he trained his ass off for that fight and was far superior to the version that fought fury 2 years earlier.

    Joshua beat a 41yr old wlad but he also beat a version of wlad that was much better than the rest of the division had been facing for years.

    On that night wlad would have beaten any other hw in the world apart from Joshua.
     
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  14. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AJ Moved much better at the lower weights .Should drop some bulk
     
  15. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Poor stamina is definitely an issue like it was for Wlad. Much like young Wlad Joshua is a big super heavy with big power who throws a bunch of power shots looking for the KO.

    Wlad found a way to overcome this limitation by becoming a spoiler. Joshua may very well be in a similar transition of styles. He's gradually becoming far less aggressive, ever since the Whyte fight where he literally came out throwing bombs. The Parker fight showed the most measured Joshua to date.

    That's one of the most impressive things about Joshua, he learns and continually improves becoming a more complete fighter with each fight. It might be much harder to make him gas now, it will either take an iron chinned pressure fighter to continually press him or a better out boxer that will make him chase, sitting back tentatively and hoping to land a bomb like Parker did won't work as it allows Joshua to dictate the fight on his terms and fight at his pace.
     
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