Journeyman defined for those who don't know

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Very good point.

Jersey Joe Walcott is another who was an actual journeyman who became a contender and then a champion.

 

Jack Sharkey also regressed into something resembling a journeyman by the end of his career.

 

George "Sc@piron" Johnson.

 

Or it could apply to someone who is overmatched/mismanaged early on, but can actually fight.

For example, Freddie Pendleton was a clubfighter/journeyman who became a contender and a champion.

 

Exactly :good Orlando Salido and Mike Weaver had terrible records starting out and they persevered and became champions.

 

Pipino Cuevas had just a so-so record at first...fighting pro at 14 years old......then went on to a solid World Champion career.

 

Just on words being misused even by educated folks, I just happened upon an example in a serious article I was reading. The author quoted another author in The New York Times and then pointed out the error.

New York Times, April 4, 2005--an article by Ian Fisher covering the funeral of Pope John Paul.

"Tucked under his left arm was a silver staff, called a crow's ear, that he carried in public."

The article pointed out the correct word is crosier.

Which I looked up in the Merriam-Webster dictionary

"crosier--a staff carried by bishops and abbots as a symbol of office."

Like I said, it happens.

 

Algieri is becoming a journeyman

 

I'd say its a fighter who doesnt really fight in his backyard hence the journeyman travel aspect

But also a guy who doesnt headline the events, is the opponent, not the house guy or featured fighter, expected to lose.

I dont think journeyman is indicative of skill but more so standing and place in the boxing industry. A fighter can grow out of it much like a prospect can stop being a prospect and become a contender or fail and become a journeyman much like a champion can be a former champion

to me a bum is a term I dont like to use but bums or cans for me are guys that like the journeyman are the opponent but they are the guys that have not chance. I dont like to say no chance as a former athlete I know people have a chance theoretically but Id say a bum is that guy that just lays down and early. They dont last long either

 

I feel vindicated that this definition is not the only plausible definition of journeyman, in fact its a definition that makes calling someone a journeyman a bad word when it really isn't. There are definitions on this thread that make more sense, then this quote.

 

The most often used and standard definition of boxing journeyman is this one--

"In boxing and mixed martial arts, a journeyman is a fighter who has adequate skill but is not of the caliber of a contender or gatekeeper."

To me, one thing is for certain.

No "plausible" definition of boxing journeyman applies to Harry Wills,

or George Foreman.

Using it with fighters like that is just misusing the word.

*the box rec definition does seem to me to be a mite too negative.