Journeyman who were pretty good fighters

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I have a lot in mind but I’ll just start with one.

    Jesse Ferguson
     
  2. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, I guess u would have to be a pretty good fighter to b a journeyman, right?
     
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  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I actually think “ journeyman” is a broad term used to cover a wide range of levels which are above tomato cans yet not contender. That said I think there are some very good journeyman and ones who are pretty average or mediocre.
     
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  4. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    that is true, makes me think of Walter Santimore, Who I do think had some skills. I've sen him fight a few times on tv, I always pulled for him. He was always overmatched, but always gave his all
     
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  5. Boxed Ears

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    I tend to think of a journeyman as someone who has to journey to anywhere he can to ply his trade, unable to call any shots to the contrary, and normally because they're not good enough to be marketable and have the backing of people with power in the business, but varying widely in talent as you said. Emanuel Augustus has to be one of the weirder examples of someone who has plenty of talent, could be highly entertaining, got TV dates where he put on a great show, still didn't really ever stop being a journeyman and taking fights at consistently insane disadvantage in time, place, etc., and often roughing up or teaching lessons to the guys trying to use him as a stepping stone, and often with a smile on his face. In an article about his unusual career, the writer remarked that in his last fight they held him up at the door, as he wasn't even recognisable to the security, if I recall correctly. I think he was even in a FOTY on ESPN with Micky Ward, but it never mattered.
     
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    Teddy Sanders early 80s late 70s
     
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  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Ray Olivera
    Darnell Boone
    Harold Brazier off the top of my head
     
  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Olivera and Brazier were top 10 contenders.

    Brazier was a journeyman early on but broke out of that status.
     
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  10. TBooze

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    Randy Sandy had a good reputation over here (UK).
     
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  11. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The OP suggested Ferguson who got a top 10 ranking (and title shot) off of his Mercer upset.

    Brazier in particular was a (upper echelon) journeyman, who through numerous titles and a purple patch got a ranking and a title fight himself.
     
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  12. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ross Puritty.

    The guy had chin, durability and a good punch. He also had some pretty damn good wins for a "journeyman". He was a bit of an untapped talent in my view.
     
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    Darnell Boone
    Emanuel Augustus
    Sanderline Williams
     
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  14. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lots of former Contenders found themselves to be known as Journeymen...

    Journeymen to my understanding are top noted fighters, who proposed champions had to fight to prove their worth. some Journeymen/contenders were as good as any fleeting champions, some perhaps better.

    I think it's also true what someone said earlier too about Travel and Willingness, to fight anybody anywhere, some fighters were forced to operate like this just to get good pay days, too much of a threat in many a case. the Murderers Row and the Like.

    I believe JJW and Moore were at times referred to as Journeymen.

    there are loads of great Journeymen, as well as some at the opposite end of the Journeymen spectrum who were more Club Fighters.

    Its a wide range covering thousands of fighters.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    The words GREAT & JOURNEYMAN ,when coupled together become a contradiction in terms.
     
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