Joy Boy's, listen up.

STF ***gy. I know it hurts not having Cotto to jerk off to in your avatar. Dont take it out on me. Now you have some other *** meat squeezing motivation going on.

 

I think in pretty much most of floyd's fights it is around rounds 4 or 5 where he figures everyone/anyone out. Its just his rythm and how he paces himself. I think its more how his mind works than anything, I would not hold that against him. And btw, noone beats him at 147 including Williams (see floyd vs chico) and cotto (see floyd vs hatton).

 

Neither Corrales or Hatton bring what Williams and Cotto would

 

I see those fights playing out in a very similar fashion.

 

Williams will get countered silly. I can see Floyd fighting the best fight of his life against a guy who is a legit threat in Cotto. I would say without a doubt, Floyd can and will beat Cotto.

 

Really? Aside from similar physical builds between Corrales and Williams as well as Hatton and Cotto, I don't see these fights being similar from a stylistic standpoint.

Corrales didn't throw many punches in the fight. He was held in the single digits during several rounds. Basically, he followed Mayweather around the ring getting hit with lead left hooks and right hands. Williams is much bigger than Corrales and Floyd would be at an even greater size disadvantage. Instead of following Floyd around the ring without offering much in return, Williams would be staying on the outside, flicking his jab and throwing two for every one Floyd throws. Williams would be harder to counter than Corrales was and he has the chin to take whatever Mayweather throws.

Cotto and Hatton are both pressure fighters, but that's where the similarities end. Hatton is more of a rough housing swarmer who relies on clinching/grappling to wear opponents down. That works great against weaker opponents (at 140), but at 147, where he does not enjoy a strength advantage, he is much, much less effective. And unlike Cotto, Hatton is not elite at 147 (he's a B- level fighter) who is highly succeptable to crafty counter punchers with the ability to catch him jumping in. Hatton does not have the chin Cotto has at 147 based on how badly he has been hurt against Collazo and Mayweather and he is not a devestating puncher. He's one dimensional as well.

Cotto is a technical pressure fighter on the other hand who works his way inside in a cerebral way. Instead of jumping in and squaring himself up, he leads with the left jab. If history has shown us anything, it's that Mayweather has had the most trouble when opponents persue him aggressively behind the jab (Castillo I, De La Hoya for the first 7 rounds). Cotto is better defensively than Hatton who leaps in with his hands down, offering no head movement. Cotto holds his hands high and picks off punches better. He's a more fluid inside fighter who lets his hands go at a much more frequent pace. On the elite level, Hatton isn't a great body puncher. Cotto, however, is. Unlike Hatton, Cotto has shown the ability to deal with speed; he has done it against Malignaggi, Quintana, Judah, and Mosley. His balance and positioning is on another level and he is better at cutting off the ring than Ricky is. Other advantages Miguel has over Ricky are his handspeed, technical skills, timing, and strength.

In closing, Williams-Mayweather and Cotto-Mayweather would be much different than his fights with Corrales and Hatton.

 

I agree the Williams fight is different. Mayweather beats Cotto in similiar fashion to Hatton, maybe not as ugly though.

Cotto's defense is extremely average. He gets hit way too much.

 

His defense is a little above average, but you're right. He gets hit too much for my liking. And that makes for relatively short careers at the elite level. He'll probably burn bright for 2 or 3 more years, maybe get a win over Mayweather or maybe lose to Mayweather, beat some title holders and top contenders, then hit a brick wall and begin his decline.

Plus most pressure fighters don't last too long (with Duran and Chavez being obvious exceptions)

 

not a Floyd fan but this is way off

 

Have you seen Povetkin? I would argue he is the strongest out there mentally

 

I agree. He's not extra special at 147, only good. But it's like his fourth weight class.

In my opinion, he'd beat the old Forrest of this days. I think Oscar was in formidable shape last May.

I would predict Williams to beat Mayweather. PBF would be stupid if he agrees to fight him.

I think Mayweather would beat Cotto. Due to their styles, I think it would be an easier fight than Hatton.

We go again to the same point of the first parragraph: Mayweather is not at his best at 147. He DEFINITELY not one of the best ever in that weight class.

I agree. I think he's the greatest Super Featherweight ever and very good, toe-to-toe, at 135 and 140, but not that great at 147.

 

If you think Floyd can do the things he did to cheeco at 130 at 147 then your crazy. And if you think Cheeco and Williams present the same type of challenges then you even crazier.

 

All and all I think this is a far assesment. But really is it that much of a dis to say that a guy couldn't beat the best ever in a division 3 divisions and 17 lbs heavier then his prime wiegh class? Nope.

 

Silly thread.

Don't know about that. There was a fellow named Montell Griffin that landed 25 more punches than Jones and was landing at a 20% higher connect rate after 8 rounds. Only reason he wasn't leading on all 3 cards was because the ref ruled a leg sweep as a KD for Jones. Then we all know what Roy did in the 9th (and what happened in the rematch).

 

Watch me **** your ****** ass and see your ass run from me in another thread.

As a fighter, Floyd will never match Jones Jr, there are just some things you cant learn, speed and athletic ability, Floyd will never match Jones Jr in those categories, but what floyd does better is that he is a master tactician, a master defender, and mentally one of the strongest fighters in the game. Jones Jr will never be the defender Floyd is and got by on years on pure athletic talent, as soon as his speed slipped a little, his footwork slowed, his ability to dominate opponents was over, because he never developed a defense that wasnt predicated on his ability to out athletic opponents. Floyd on the other hand will NEVER fall as hard as Roy did, because he unlike Jones has pefected the art of not getting hit in boxing.

As I have already proven on this forum, Mayweather's defense is unmatched by anyone, neither Whittaker nor Roy Jones match Floyds opponents punch stats. Something like 6% points ahead of Jones opponents punches landed percentage. He can be argued as being the best defensive fighter ever. And his accuracy is onpar with both Sweet Pea and Roy.

And whats your reasoning for this. I agree only 2 fighters from 140-154 have a chance of beating Floyd. Forrest and Williams. The rest get absolutely destroyed. Floyd destroyes Cotto(too slow, suspect chin). Williams has a chance because of his freakish frame, but Mayweather beats him to a UD simply because while Williams is throwing and missing, Floyd is throwing and landing. I see Williams punch stats something like 150 out of 700, with Floyds being 170 for 350 or something along those lines. Frankly Williams doesnt use his reach well enough and Floyd picks him apart, inside AND outside. Forrest has a chance because he can box with Floyd, but again everything that Forrest has, Floyd has more, Floyd wins another UD 8-4/7-5.

You are ****ing ***** whipped moron. Floyd figured Hatton out 2 years ago you ****ing *****. Thats why he said for years he would destory hatton dumbass. The fight went exactly the way Floyd said it would, Hatton would come forward and eat straight rights all night while Floyd stayed at a comfortable distance, ONLY difference is Floyd beat him the outside AND INSIDE. He bodied with your boy and beat ass with bows and uppercuts. Thats why it was a great display of ring generalship and tactical mastery, that Floyd would beat Hatton at his own mauling brawling game. ****ing Whitaker couldnt put away Ramirez how the **** do you know he would have had hatton out in 4 silly kid? He knocked out a total of 17 fighters his whole career lmao.

Shut your ***** ass up. You didnt make one decent point in that whole post. 5 division champ. Beat the best in 4 out of 5 of those divisions, and will be adding Cotto to his legacy very very ****ing soon. I cant wait so I can laugh in your calzaghe dick sucking face. The nerve to call a fighter who actually fought greats under the lights in vegas with a ****ing guy who beat europe bums in **** town Wales for 10 years.