Joyce v Ortiz

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  1. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Active Member Full Member

    Oct 18, 2009
    Interesting fight.
    From one perspective an inexperienced, upright come forward opponent is a countering southpaw's dream and Ortiz tees off on Joyce. From another perspective Joe's youth, size and power tell and he breaks the aging Ortiz down.

    I look forward to departing with £20 for the privilege of watching this.
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  2. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Active Member booted Full Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Crazy to jump up so many levels so quickly. Joyce needs a tough fight soon but Ortiz is too big a jump in class. Needs a few more before jumping in with Ortiz.
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  3. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

    Apr 4, 2012
    I would be much more interested in this fight than Whyte Chisora. although I will watch that one also.
  4. bbjc

    bbjc Well-Known Member Full Member

    Feb 25, 2012
    Surprising how hard it is for guys like Joyce to make his way in the game nowadays. Its like he's got leprosy. Been almost begging for fights. Where are the mid level guys. You,d think they,d be a lot of guys queing up to fight him without him needing to call out Ortiz and even chisora. We know he's in a rush but surely he can still squeeze in two or three mid level fights in between it in a pretty brief timeframe.

    Kind of shows his level to me no ones really taking a chance on him. Not too sure of his promoters apart from haye. Who let's be honest didn't really want to shell out on him. The only guys that want to take him on seem just to want to get a big fight to make some money off him...without needing to invest in him. If he was the next big hate was trying to tell us pretty sure someone would have took the chance of doing a proper job with his career. Holding he can carve something out tho. Just perplexed why its so hard to get going in the game for him. Pretty sure he was a good amateur etc. Its just been average guys so far. And now attempting to go in with good experienced world level guys.
  5. Twentyman

    Twentyman Ronald Macintosh‘s thumb Full Member

    Apr 20, 2016
    Joyce has a fair bit of amateur experience and has shared the ring with some excellent fighters.

    I think he stops Ortiz if he makes him box at a pace he’s uncomfortable at. He will empty Ortiz’s gas tank by the championship rounds.
  6. BodyBlaster

    BodyBlaster Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jul 25, 2007
    I believe Ortiz is the most talented Heavyweight around after Tyson Fury.
    However he’s lazy and that’s what’s stopped him being a formidable world champion IMO.
    Not a good fight for Joyce who doesn’t carry murderous power, he’s not going to outbox Ortiz, He may however set too high a pace, but it’s not a high paying fight.

    If I was him I’d smash David Price, then then face Hughie Fury or Chisora/Whyte loser(winner likely to face AJ never mind the AJ wilder noise), or even Joe Parker.
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  7. Bondy365

    Bondy365 New Member Full Member

    Oct 13, 2016
    Does a win over Ortiz make Joyce the new bogeyman?

    He would have a scalp of one of the most avoided fighters in the division so shown that he is dangerous and would be a top contender and well ranked, but to the neutral, they probably don't know who Joyce is and won't give him his dues for beating Ortiz.

    Fighters would then demand big money to fight Joyce, and he won't have the casual interest to draw the revenue to make them. I feel this could result in him becoming the new Ortiz. From a boxing fans POV I'd rather see him fight Ortiz, but think he needs to fight a Chisora level known fighter to become a British star and make the money he wants in his short boxing career.

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