Joyce vs Parker - Discussion and Poll.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Vegan Beast, Sep 18, 2022.

Joyce vs Parker

Poll closed Sep 23, 2022.
  1. Joyce - KO/TKO

  2. Joyce - Decision

  3. Parker - KO/TKO

  4. Parker - Decision

  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum: Reject The New Normal Staff Member

    Nov 23, 2013
    You mean, like only the kind that we possess?:sisi1

    Since Joe Joyce and his paradoxical, seemingly inexplicable fast yet slow, athletic yet unathletic, stiff yet agile, clumsy yet graceful style seems to befuddle the minds of so many, I figured I'd give it a go, and see if I can share and explain the subtle nuances in his game, that make him one of the hardest to prepare for and beat, when it seems like it would be a walk in the park. Yes, it's because his in ring alchemy, plays tricks on the mind of both the opponent and the viewers, and like most adept sleight of hand artists, you never see how those tricks happen or see the punch coming that knocks you spark out.

    Okay, right off the bat, let's get his most obvious attributes out of the way first. Clearly much of his success is due to his chin, size and stamina. First his imposing physical presence is intimidating, and by standing upright and looking down, lording over his opponent, it's making them feel small and weak, he's psychologically screwing with them, it's the toxic alpha male dominating of space power move. So there's the mental and emotional pressure alongside the physical he's doling out. His intention is to look like a lumbering Frankenstein's Monster crossed with Jason Voorhees. Which is made even worse by the fact that like the hapless victim who's quickly running out of ideas, steam and willpower, are falling to their knees, slowly crumbling, Jason and Frankenstein are unstoppable forces and their relentless but seemingly onenote slow pace eventually mows them down in brutal fashion, like a much shorter slasher film version of the hare and the tortoise. Not all that dissimilar from Beterbiev. Yes like Beterbiev, Joe fights down to the level of his opposition. So when he has an opponent that isn't known for their power, he braces himself in the first round, takes a flush bomb or two, downloads the info, assesses its effect, and if he thinks he'll have no issue with it, he marches forward with reckless abandon, which is also much like GGG. Because he knows, the volume, the pressure, will get to whoever it is relatively quickly, gas them out, and he can polish them off. It doesn't take very long in a division full of chubsters.

    However, as he showed with Dubois, much like GGG showed with Lemieux, if he fears the power, he's next to impossible to land clean on. He was able use his reach, and jab, and properly control the range, with ease. Rolling with the few rights that got through, taking the majority of the steam off of them. Part of this is due to his biggest hidden asset, his brutally underrated footwork. His upper body appears so stiff, and tree trunk like, that it often distracts from just how fluid his movement is below the waist. It's his awkward stutter stepping arrhythmic rhythm, his shifting ability (not needing to set his feet and punching while moving), while bouncing in and out of range, his underrated understanding and control of range, his ability to get proper full extension on many of his shots while at range, his one twos and combos at mid range, his short hooks at close range, his frequent feints, his persistent jab, using his offense as his defense, his use of angles, and his brilliant varying up of the power and more abruptly, varying up the speed on his shots, which he deceptively utilizes the most effectively when throwing his fast/slow combinations to the head and body.

    All of these attributes always keeps his opponents guessing, unsure of how to counter him, due to his at times underrated slickness and head movement when he wants to roll with a shot, where to block, how to block, and it's the shots you get hit with that you don't see coming, that does the most damage, unfortunately with Joe, that's most of them. So from relatively early in these affairs, his opponent has been throw off their game, left off kilter and unprepared, and ultimately defenseless against his onslaught after sustaining an immense amount of damage in a short amount of time. Those are the reasons why he's a dominating nightmarish anomaly and one of the better boxers at Heavyweight, and the fact that he does all of these things in a such a subtle fashion, that many fairly bright boxing fans are seemingly incapable of processing what they're seeing, makes him even more impressive. It's quite easy to suss out why he's so good, if you know what you're watching. Now go study some footage of Joyce, and educate yourselves on the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, that is The Juggernaut.:ggg:ggg:ggg:ggg
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  2. effigy

    effigy Member Full Member

    Nov 23, 2008
    Joyce is just such a unit, that unless you can dance round him for 12 rounds where you could comfortably outbox him ( how Usyk would ), or happen to be one of the rare good boxers who are bigger than him and would have to ability to impose ( Fury ) then he will just keep coming and applying pressure. It'd not easy have a dude that size, with a great chin, with amateur pedigree, with thudding power coming at you for 12, even if it seems like his pace is glacial. Joyce is a tough out for anyone, even if on the surface he seems like a plodder, he's really not.
  3. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 23, 2022
    I'm not that impressed.
    if he destroys Parker I'll be very impressed
    if he beats Parker he's done well

    I won't be surprised if Parker wins
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  4. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

    Jul 22, 2004
    Somewhat impressed by his chin and engine but overall I think sooner or later he takes an L. The aforementioned attributes aren’t enough to keep him out of trouble forever.
  5. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 23, 2022
    I think he's too old
  6. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 16, 2017
    He is probably the boxer most likely to maintain peak performance into early 40s. His style doesn't rely on speed or reflexes which are the two things that cause boxers to decline, if properly taken care of, men can maintain peak stamina into mid 40s
  7. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

    Aug 19, 2020
    You could argue the Takam stoppage was premature, and Takam was winning on many people's cards before the TKO.

    Makh scored 2 knockdowns and wasn't getting outboxed.
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Ass isn't a banned word Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Joyce couldn`t miss Dubois with the jab, his jab wa far better than Dubois jab, Dubois jabbing isn`t that good, Joyce is the better fighter, Dubois got hit more.
  9. IHeartButts

    IHeartButts New Member banned Full Member

    Sep 16, 2022
    As I stated earlier about Makhmudov who did Joe Joyce beat or even fighter besides young Daniel Dubois? So Joyce has beat a bunch of 40 year old guys and other picked opponents. So saying Joyce can punch is like saying David Rodriguez was a huge puncher because he knocked out a bunch of tin cans and old men to start his career. When Joyce knocks out a guy who is still in his prime and known for having a good chin then we can say he has the power to knock out elite fighters.
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  10. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 23, 2022
    to me it's not about studying Joyce's style & analyzing or whatever. it's about who has he beat?
    he has looked fine beating the ones he beat but we are talking about an unimpressive line up.
    Dubois is best he has on the record. a green prospect really . good win but nothing to rate against more seasoned boxers.
    Bryant Jennings. I thought Joyce struggled to land a clean shot on him but did outwork him.
    Takam. an old man who Chisora knocked out.
    Hammer. journeyman.

    can't be impressed by such a shallow line up.
  11. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 9, 2020
    Jennings was 34 when Joyce beat him
  12. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 9, 2020
    I'd say as of now Takam and BJ are better than Dubois, Dubois has only beaten complete and total cans
  13. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 23, 2022
    yes could be.
    Dubois is unproven for sure.
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  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    Even after the Dubois win it's clear that plenty of people still don't rate Joyce, you only need to see some of these replies in this thread to see that.

    But I am not one of them. Joyce isn't flashy but he is effective. Many fans only see the power and speed and when they see Joyce who isn't fast and while he has power it's not the devastating one shot power that impresses people. Joyce has a good jab, his foot work and movement is very underrated and his punch variety along with his volume is impressive.

    Joyce also tends to fight down to his opponents level. Another heavyweight who does that is Fury, he struggled with fighters like McDermott, Wallin etc he can look very beatable but when he's in with a threat he raises his game to another level and Joyce I believe does the same. Against guys like Takam he has no respect for them and will just wade in and take shots to land his own, knowing they can't hurt him or live with his pace and as much success as they have it's only a matter of time before he overwhelms them. But against Dubois is maintained distance, used his jab and slowly broke Dubois down. Same against Jennings, he waded in battered Jennings but was then hurt by a body shot and then he switched it up and was far less reckless.

    I believe Joyce much like against Dubois is going to surprise some people and elevate his game and give a more refined and methodical performance and grind down Parker and maybe even stop him for the first time.
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  15. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

    Mar 24, 2019
    Funny how two of the judges had Dubois ahead on points at the time of the stoppage,as did i if Joyce was far better