JP Coopman or Richard Dunn - who was worse

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two weakest challengers from Ali' second reign. Both from Europe.

    Ali was shot when he fought them both yet he dominated, toyed with them and stopped them easily when he decided to go for the KO.

    Both Dunn and Coopman were far worse than Evangelista (in fact, Evangelista KO'd Coopman in 1 round).

    Who was worse of the two, and who would've won if the two met?
     
  2. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not much to base it on, but I tend to think Dunn was a little better. He went fifteen rounds a time or two, I believe. I think his losses were usually against recognizable names; Coopman has a lot of losses late in his career to bizarrely named guys who sound as if they were Lord of the Rings characters.

    Which, btw, I'd pick: Thorin Oakenshield K02 Jean Pierre Coopman
     
  3. Ragamuffin

    Ragamuffin Active Member Full Member

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    Coopman was the weaker of the two. Then again, watch Dunn's blowout against a fired up Bugner.
     
  4. yancey

    yancey Active Member Full Member

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    Dunn sure had some funny falls in the Ali fight.

    Towards the end Ali was winding up his right in a comical fashion to hit Dunn again when he would get back up.

    My father watched the fight with me and got some good laughs from Ali's clowning and Dunn's falls.

    As to Dunn and Coopman, who really cares, lol.
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Coopman was a good heavyweight. Not world-class. But he was a solid pro. He beat Jose Urtain, Neville Meade and Terry Daniels.

    There's video of Coopman in his 50s fighting against another 50ish Belgian light heavyweight, and Coopman looks good. He's got a solid defense. He throws a lot of shots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eR9IBIZiO8

    He was a professional fighter. He just wasn't the best heavyweight in the world by far. And when he fought the best heavyweight, in Ali, he lost badly.

    If Dunn and Coopman had been matched, I'd have taken Coopman.
     
  6. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Alfredo Evangelista was a pretty good heavyweight, too. He was just rushed. He'd only been a pro for a year and a half when they threw him in with Ali.
     
  8. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Both ****. Coopman drinking champaign between rounds was something from the twilight zone.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Coopman.
     
  10. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I saw both Richard Dunn and Jean Pierre Coopman fight Muhammad Ali on network television. Based on what I saw, I liked Dunn far than Coopman.

    George Biddles, Dunn's manager, had one interesting career in boxing. Can you believe that Biddles managed both Len Wickwar (470 known bouts, the most for any professional boxer) and George Marsden (334 known bouts) during the same period of time?

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  11. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Coopman's worse in both resume and h2h, was Ali's worst defense and one of the 5 worst title defenses for any HW titlist ever, including some of the modern era paper champs like Chagaev who had some atrocious defenses.
     
  12. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Through the history there were some really weak challengers.

    Joe Lois had Jack Roper.
    Larry Holmes had his share, too (Lucien Rodrigues and others)
    Wlad beat Alex Leapai (fighter with zero speed and zero skills)

    If we count beltholders, not lineal champions, there were such incredibly weak challengers like Tim Tomashek (Morrison), Peter Okello (Maskaev), Owen Beck (Valuev), Reed (Hide), Drummond (Chagaev), Molina (Wilder).

    I wonder where Coopman ranks among them.
     
  13. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure I've read a quote by Ali where he said that Coopman was the worst fighter he faced as a pro.
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Coopman and Dunn could have had an eliminator...the winner fights Jack Bodell.
     
  15. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well I believe Coopman and Dunn are two worst Ali opponents after his comeback (in 32 fights from 70 to 81).

    Even Rudi Lubbers (the worst non-title fight opponent in 70's) beat Coopman.