Juan Coggi vs Ricky Hatton

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  1. m.s.

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  2. boza81

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    Prime Coggi 1988 could take this. He had a long reach and unorthidox punching angles, with power in both fists. He was taller and much better reach than Hatton. I could see Ricky walking into something big. To win, Hatton would have to bull Coggi along the ropes and outhustle him.
     
  3. m.s.

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    are you saying hatton bullying him along the ropes and out hustling him is unlikely?Just asking.
     
  4. boza81

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    No. I guess I am saying that if Coggi catches him coming in he could take out Ricky, but at the same time, Ricky could smother him and outhustle him. I am on the fence on this one, because I could see either scenario happening. If I must decide, I'll go with Coggi knocking out Hatton in the 10th while behind on points.
     
  5. Johnstown

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    i really wasnt even familar with the guy..but i looked him up..found some footage and looked at his record. [url]http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=008166&cat=boxer&pageID=1[/url]

    he went 14 fights before he got into the ring with anyone with more then 7 fights..and most of the guys had losing records. When he finally stepped up to someone with a record of 14 wins and 22 loses it took him a 10 round decision. He then had two more 10 round decisions over one guy with a 0-4 record and another with a 12-7 record. He was not that great a puncher...he was a decent fighter who lost to Adolfo Omar Arce Rossi. You guys act like Hatton had the worst chin of all time...he got stopped by Mayweather at 147 after taking some big hits and getting hit coming in with a check hook. he got KO'ed by pac..a man who hits harder then most anyone your going to match him up with at 140...he beat plenty of good punchers without getting knocked out.
     
  6. lora

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    PAc is no one punch knockout man above 135.Ricky's performance in that fight was just an embarassment on nearly every level.
     
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    He only fought once 140. At 147 he clearly was able to hurt cotto with ease...and made clotty very gunshy...and broke Margos ****ing orbital bone. But yea...pac doesn't really hit that hard.
     
  8. lora

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    Never said he doesn't hit that hard.

    Hatton made him look like Shavers.
     
  9. My2Sense

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    That's a helluva lot better than making Eder Gonzalez look like Shavers:

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    I'd expect Hatton to survive a knockdown and/or some rocky moments and otherwise outhustle Coggi to a decision.
     
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    i can see how Juan can give him a good fight..i dont see how people are predicting him to blow hatton out of the water.
     
  11. lefthook31

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    Hatton would probably win. Coggi fought Randall three times and I think he was the one that faked injuries in two fights to win. He kind of bitched out against Randall.
     
  12. m.s.

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    i havent seen too much of coggi but i watched one of the randall fights recently out of my vhs collection. i think it would be an enteresting fight.coggi seems pretty cagey against the wropes.i'll watch a few more but for now i'll go for hatton on points in a pretty close decision maybe 7-5 or 8-4.
     
  13. lora

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    Well, Coggi was trash.
     
  14. boza81

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    The Gonzales fiasco was in 1993. Prime Coggi was 1987-1989. I never liked Coggi and always felt he was a WBA favorite. But, I think in the late '80's he was a legitimately a very good fighter. By the mid '90's he was relying on the favoritism of the WBA. The 2nd Randall fight was a joke. Coggi totally faked being injured after a head but. The Gonzales fiasco was worse, the referee was actually banned for life. Coggi's handlers actually propped him up during the action, and the round ended way too early. Any other ref would have stopped the fight in favor of Gonzales.
     
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    Here's a good story on the Coggi-Gonzales fiasco

    Coggi (64-2-2, 30 KOs) had been a fixture on the 140-pound landscape since July 4, 1987 when he shockingly knocked out the 48-0 Patrizio Oliva in three rounds to win the WBA title. In the four defenses that followed, Coggi proved himself a quality performer as he defeated the 47-1 Sang Ho Lee (KO 2), Harold Brazier (W 12), Akinobu Hiranaka (W 12) and Jose Luis Ramirez (W 12). But Coggi made one road trip too many as he lost a majority decision to Loreto Garza on neutral ground in Nice, France, August 17, 1990.

    Coggi won his next 13 fights, then on January 12, 1993 beat Morris East on an eight-round stoppage to regain the WBA title. The defense against Gonzalez would be his fifth of 1993 and his ninth over two reigns.

    Midway throught the second round, Coggi leaped in with a long, hard left cross to the jaw that snapped Gonzalez’s head back and forced him to retreat to the corner pad. Coggi drove him back to the ropes with two more stinging lefts. A right hook to the jaw dropped Gonzalez heavily to his knees 1:15 into the round and Gonzalez wore a pained and perplexed expression as he arose at the count of four.

    Coggi appeared to be seconds away from a convincing victory. After referee Isidro Rodriguez, who was working his 63rd championship contest, completed the count Gonzalez backed toward the corner pad and Coggi inched his way forward to set up the finisher. But, Gonzalez launched a monstrous lead right that exploded off Coggi’s jaw. His upper body pitched forward and his arms dropped to the side before falling backward as if descending through water. Finally, his stiffened frame crashed to the floor with a resounding thud. The champion’s reign was in mortal danger of ending. Somehow, Coggi pulled himself erect. Still, he was in terrible shape as he Struggled to regain his equilibrium. After Rodriguez wiped his gloves, Coggi wobbled to the corner pad and Gonzalez landed a chopping right to the side of the head and two left hooks to the jaw that caused Coggi’s upper body to fall into Rodriguez. As Coggi fell into the ropes on stiffened legs, Rodriguez wrapped his arms around the Argentine favorite. Normally this gesture would signal the end of the fight, but for reasons only Rodriguez can explain he wasn’t stopping the fight, he was helping Coggi to stay upright! Rodriguez steadied the champion by pinioning him to the corner with his upper body while holding the upper strand of ropes with each hand. Meanwhile, Gonzalez was in the neutral corner hugging his corner man in celebration of his apparent upset victory. But Rodriguez let go of Coggi, walked to their corner and informed them the fight was continuing. By now the scene was a mass of confusion. With 42 seconds on the clock, Coggi’s adviser Luis Spada jumped onto the ring apron. Fighting through his mental fog, Coggi turned and staggered into the corner. When Coggi turned toward ring center, Spada hooked two fingers around Coggi’s trunks from behind to stabilize his champion and yelled several instructions into his ear. Spada’s act normally would have led to his fighter’s immediate disqualification, but Rodriguez didn’t know what to do to reverse a situation that was quickly spiraling out of control.

    Finally, with 27 seconds left in the round, Rodriguez signaled the fight to continue – with Spada still on the ring apron holding up his fighter. With Coggi unable to move he was a sitting duck for Gonzalez, who wound up and blasted his wide-open target with an overhand right to the jaw. Had Spada not been there, Coggi surely would have fallen to the canvas. But Spada was there to wrap his right arm around Coggi’s chest to keep him from collapsing.
    After landing that titanic right, Gonzalez then backed off a step and Rodriguez stepped in the breech. Gonzalez walked to his corner believing the fight was over because he had just smashed a defenseless opponent, but the referee indicated the round had ended. There were two problems with Rodriguez’s indication – no bell could be heard above the din and had there been a bell, it would have rung 20 seconds early.

    It is safe to say that had these circumstances taken place on another day and in virtually any other spot around the world, Eder Gonzalez would have been declared the champion, either by clean TKO or by disqualification. But on this day and in this place, the strong odor of home cooking permeated the hearts, minds and actions of those who had a direct bearing on this contest.

    The fight began to take on the air of a scene straight out of the WWE’s past where one wrestler repeatedly is denied the victory due to slow counts, double-teaming from "managers" and a blatant disregard for the rules. In the scripted world of "sports entertainment," these actions are not only accepted but they also add to the drama. But boxing, for the most part, had surmounted its era of fixed fights to the point where events like this would be considered a monstrous and inexcusable violation.

    Gonzalez had every reason to be furious, but he and his people took everything with remarkable calm. Gonzalez stood near ring center, more than ready to resume the action for round five. The reason for his eagerness was immediately apparent 10 seconds into the round when he floored Coggi with a quick overhand right to the jaw. Though it appeared to be a clean knockdown, Rodriguez ordered Coggi to his feet, wiped off his gloves and wiped out the extra point Gonzalez should have earned. Still, Coggi got to his feet quickly and neither Gonzalez nor his corner lodged any protest. Later in the round, Coggi darted inside and drove 17 hold-and-hit uppercuts with nary a word from Rodriguez, whose performance had already descended into farce. The same could be said for the timekeeper, who let the round go an extra three seconds to allow Coggi to get in a few bonus fouls.

    Gonzalez again tagged Coggi with a hard jab to kick off the seventh, and the crowd sought to rally their man by amping up the volume and clapping in rhythm. Then, with 1:06 gone in the seventh, the moment for which Coggi had been waiting happened. A straight left to the jaw landed on Gonzalez with stunning impact and he was forced to back into the corner Coggi had just vacated. A flurry of punches highlighted by four lefts sent Gonzalez stumbling forward to his knees, and a few members of the overjoyed crowd tossed papers into the air near the ring.

    Gonzalez stumbled forward after rising to his feet at Rodriguez’s count of four and looked in terrible shape as he tried to steady himself. Meanwhile, as Coggi stood in the neutral corner, a man in a gray suit spoke into Coggi’s right ear while standing on the apron, another clear violation that should have resulted in a disqualification loss for Coggi. But any concept of order or fairness had long been thrown out on its ear, and with Fate’s man so close to victory, there was no way that the rule of law would ever be applied now.

    After receiving advice from the man in the gray suit, Coggi raced out of the corner without waiting for Rodriguez to formally wave him in. The champion blasted two lefts, a right hook and a final left before Gonzalez’s corner man raced through the ropes, broke up the two fighters, and wrapped his arms around his fighter. At 2:26 of the seventh round, the only result that would have been permitted officially went into the books. Coggi turned his back and leaped skyward in triumph while a multitude of corner men and supporters poured into the ring to celebrate what was an extraordinary – but wholly illegal – comeback. The final insult came when the scorecards were revealed. All three judges had Coggi ahead – Luis Pabon saw the bout 58-56, Jesus Celis scored it 57-55 and Jose Campos somehow viewed the bout 59-58, meaning he saw more even rounds than for either boxer. So one can safely assume that if Coggi was not going to win by knockout, he would have likely won it on the scorecards.

    After losing an immidiate rematch to Coggi, Gonzalez would fight only three more times, losing each one. On May 16, 1997 in Barranquilla, Colombia, the 29-1-1 Hugo Pineda stopped the 32-year-old Gonzalez in two rounds. Gonzalez subsequently retired and his final record stands at 22-8-1 (15 KOs).

    Coggi had plenty more chapters to write in his career. After polishing off Mario Morales (KO 3) in a non-title affair, Coggi lost the title by decision to Frankie Randall. Three fights later, Coggi and Randall met again on January 13, 1996 and once again controversy would find Coggi. Coggi scored a questionable knockdown in round three and a clash of heads sent Coggi down and out in the fifth. The butt did not open a cut on Coggi, but it left him in a heap in the corner. Coggi was unable to continue after being given five minutes to recover and the WBA’s accidental foul rule dictated that the scorecards would determine the winner since the incident occurred after the third round. Several minutes after Coggi was wheeled from the ring on a stretcher, he regained the title by five-round technical decision since he held a one-point lead on each scorecard.

    The two would fight again seven months later – in Argentina – and Randall regained the belt via unanimous decision. Coggi would never again fight for a major belt, and his final bout took place May 29, 1999 in Bari, Italy where he lost a unanimous decision to Michele Piccirillo. The 37-year-old Coggi retired with a record of 75-5-2 with 44 KOs.