Juan Manuel Marquez... Is It Just Me...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Apr 4, 2008.


  1. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That just goes to show you what level David Diaz is on you idiot.
    So of course now Pac wants to fight him. Why not fight Juan Diaz, Campbell, or Casamayor?? Because he just wants to fight the weakest one to just collect a title.

    Its not an excuse. EM was not what he once was in all 3 fights. MAB 1 was a legit win. Not the second one. Then wow Larios, Velasquez and Solis. What an awesome resume!!!! Instead of those 3 losers he coulda fought Barrios, Soto or Guzman. But of course he wont. Arum is just protecting him.
     
  2. Chert

    Chert Ringside Potato Full Member

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    you forgot about sasakul and ledwaba. and if we're comparing resumes, what does that say about jmm's resume? a disputed win vs. a washed-out barrera and a point-error draw with pac as his biggest achievement. not a pretty picture, is it? :deal

    and remember, this will be pac's very first fight @135. that's why a fight w/ diaz, a legit champ is just proper. the bigger fishes will go after.
     
  3. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok my bad Ledwaba, Sasakul and MAB 1. WOW!!!! Awesome resume. I seriously think JMM should bring EM and MAB out of retirement and beat them then maybe he can be a god like PAC. Ha

    Should we also look at the way their losses have come??? Pac has had 2 embarrasing KO losses while JMM has never been KO'd.
     
  4. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    calling larios, velasquez and solis a loser and you are a proud mexican? :-(

    why go far to the point of insulting your own countryman just to discredit pac's resume?
     
  5. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    You're underestimating larios? Don't you know larios was regarded as one of the best in 122 b4? You must know that guy and you keep babbling that he is nothing. Now, you must know a lot.
    As for em "not on his usual self?" It ain't my problem if my rival is too strong even if i am more technically brilliant. You and the other em fans just cvering up all this b.s. that em is "shot".
    And that "win" by em against david diaz is exactly my point why pac wanted to challenge this guy. For god's sake you're just testing the waters at lw, dude. Do it then at someone you can beat. And it's unavaoidable to go up in lw. If you want jmm, pac said it would look "personal" but boxing is just a business so it's all at the promoter's hands. Jmm has to w8 and you can't do anything about it, esecially b4 jmm-pac2 it was suposed to be david diaz ,his name was already up there since pac was already having prolems in his weight at mab-pac2.Remember the pac team have to cover him up in sheets after failing to make w8 at the first weigh-in? AAAh you don't know then that makes you "knowledgable". But since boxing fans wanted pac-jmm to face again in the s.f. then we got what we want did'nt we? Then you can't really cancel dd since he was first in the line eversince, b4 jmm finally got his balls to face pac again 4 the 2nd time.
     
  6. puga_ni_nana

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    if marquez accepted the morales fight the first time around who knows? but marquez and beristain doesn't want a piece of morales back then.
     
  7. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    You're an obvious IDIOT.
    Sasakul is regarded as one of the best flyweights b4 easily in the top-10.
    LedwaBa is part of the p4p before what are you talking aout?
    sAY THAT TO A BOXING GURU LIKE KG AND HE WOULD HAVE LAUGHED AT YOUR MORONIC-ASS.
    Good thing you're not a noob, even if you're acting like one, coz if you were, you would have get the famous 5-words.
     
  8. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    Oh aout campbell and casa, after he gets through the easiest then he have to add a notch to the difficulty. Those 2 would w8. Would you test the waters in lw by facing casa and nate at once. Of course not!
    Plus imo pac would win against these 2. Just w8...
     
  9. Chert

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    well, jmm is already considering another fight w/ barrera while waiting for the 3rd fight w/ pac... :patsch :-(

    and do you think jmm beating em and mab now will be equal to pac beating mab and em many years ago? you have got to be kidding me. :verysad

    and KOing ledwaba, sasakul and mab 1 are certainly great achievements as they were certainly all prime elite fighters during that time. sadly, we can't definitely say the same thing about jmm. against prime elites, jmm is 0-2-1 and that's not including the loss to john.
     
  10. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hmmm no you guys are the ones that make me laugh.
    You defend your one and only fighter so much and make so many excuses for him that its frankly pathetic. You talk about PAc being this unstoppable force who is always up for a challenge and his biggest challenge is still there in JMM but he is choosing to wait until maybe JMM loses a step or he can find another excuse. Lets not forget JMM is pretty old for his weight class. Im sure Arum is counting on that.

    Anyways how come the unstoppable Pac has been Kod 2 times in his career and JMM never has?????
     
  11. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes 122 lbrs. They fought at 130. Larios was way above his best fighting weight.
     
  12. Chert

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    i never said pac was unstoppable and unbeatable. and those two ancient losses when he was very young have been time and again discussed here to death especially by people like you. but it doesn't change the fact that against prime elite fighters, jmm is currently 0-2-1 (not including the loss to non-elite john).

    also, kindly explain why is it that pac was able to KD jmm 4 times and a washed-up barrera even managed to KD jmm? again, not a pretty sight for supposedly one of the 4 best featherweights of this era.
     
  13. mad_takamura

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    Makes u laugh?Coming from a guy who underestimates larios,ledwaba, and sasakul? It is you who makes us laugh. But it's understandable in sasakul's case coz before pac shone in the 126,and 130, the flyw8's ain't that popular as the higher weights! But against ledwaba and larios? Wow!:yikes you're a true boxing fan..
    Pac being an unstoppable force? You must skipped when i said hussein won against pac. Does that makes him invincible for me? It is only the great hate that you jmm fans have against pac that we pac fans have to stand up and defend with pure facts that most jmm fans lack. They are the ones blinded in huggery. Since when have you heard a guy trading 750k for 35k just to get robbed and its coming from principles? Everyone has that but those principles are illogical, just like how you and the other jmm fans tries in vain to protect your puppy. Say that story to a common guy on cuba and he would laugh his ass out to jmm!
    I already told you that it's best jmm have to win imo so that you nut cracks can't offer another friggin excuse his "coming from a loss".
    How many excuses have i heard?
    '' he is shot, he is green, he jumped 2 weight divisons, he is a nobody, he is a bum,he got robbed..yada,yada,yada." Are this excuses coming from us Pac fans? Nope. Ask your comrades. How many excuses would they have to invent. They just don't give ac ****ing credit that's why we have to remind them time and time again.
    Give david diaz a shot, jmm got his, it's now dd's turn. It will be his biggest paycheck, to fight pac. David has been on the #1 list after pac-mab as pac was having problem with his weight. They gave us boxing fans a chance with the rematch, yet pac won. Now you're all sourgraping an immediate rematch? I say take your time and w8, jmm already have his aycheck..
     
  14. mad_takamura

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    Don't give a damn. He was on good condition on that fight with pac. If he was'nt pac could have ko'ed the guy since he took most of ac's best shots. He some prepared imo. If you don't after jumping 2 weights north, and against someone like pac,then you must be completely stupid..:nono
     
  15. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    well thats at featherweight..i think he'll be effective at 122