Juan Manuel Marquez performance tonight

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I was impressed with Marquez tonight. Most regulars who I discuss points with on certain threads will know I'm a fan of him. Certainly when it comes to quality orthodox technique I rate him up there with the best fighters in history. Louis, Arguello, Hopkins, etc.

    Diaz bullied and tried to take him out of his comfort zone. It was a fairly even fight up until the stoppage. Marquez wasn't in as much trouble as the commentators suggested. When Marquez was against the ropes he bent his knees and made the somewhat erratic Diaz miss. The state of Marquez's face showed that he was taking punches, no question, but not as many as the forensic evidence would lead you to believe. He swells up easily. And while he's not quite Pep or Locche, his defense is fairly decent. Not great, but not bad either.

    I really like the way Marquez always keeps his technique tidy and compact, no matter if he's throwing punches at slow, medium or high pace. Some fighters tend to lose leverage and tidyness when they fight on maxium speed. I knew Marquez was going to stop Diaz after he got up from the first knockdown. His accuracy with both hands when going in for the kill was helped with his superb technique, speed, and momentum.

    I really like watching Marquez fight. He's just a good solid all round fighter.
     
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  2. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree. If his greatness was in question before this fight, its now been solidified for sure.
    A great card with excellent performances tonight.
     
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  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I think he's become my favorite fighter now. Former featherweight who knocked out the top 2 lightweights in his last 2 fights, both of whom had never been stopped before, and at the age of 35. He's fantastic.

    Very good all around and tough as hell. Beautiful knockout to close the show.
     
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  4. jones1

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    The man has beautiful technique. Has anyone ever seen someone throw uppercuts like him? They have this nice rolling quality about them that comes from the shoulders, never seen anything like it
     
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  5. frankwornank

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    There is always the tendency for the old time fans to say, " Yeah, he's real good but dont compare with lightweights of years ago etc,". Well, I have now become one of the oldtimers (started following boxing in the early 50's) and this guy could compete with any of them. He's tough, smart, durable and puts his punches together beautifully. This guy is one of the greats period........
     
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  6. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think I'm going to enjoy watching this fight again and again because I'll be able to notice more of the subtle adjustments Marquez makes along the way to counter Diaz pressure and aggression. He was great tonight, and even though Diaz was the aggressor and pushing the action, I felt that Marquez was pretty well in control most of the time. He didn't lose his head or allow himself to become overwhelmed with Diaz' youth, and strength, just kept methodically chipping away. It was an even fight at the time of the stoppage, but I was pretty sure Diaz was going to get stopped from pretty early on.
     
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  7. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I couldn't really care if fighters from 60 years ago fought over 100 times. They weren't technically better than Marquez. Maybe Robinson was flashier and Pep was more innovative, but when it comes to sheer solid fundementals, Marquez deserves his placing among the elite. Punches over the top, underneath, round the side, and with either hand. He punches straight consistently.

    He's one hell of an uppercuter.

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    Right uppercut, followed immediatley by an overhand right. Lovely. Then goes to the body with both hands, then finishes off with a left uppercut up the middle.

    I've also noticed that it doesn't matter to him what distance he throws uppercuts. Up close inside, mid-range, and even long range. Doesn't matter a jot to him.

    Just a terrific fighter with nice variation.
     
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  8. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    He looked excellent tonight and he has been one of my favourite fighters to watch for some time. Definitely a modern day great.

    I to think he can hang with a lot of the greats from 126-135..though I wouldnt pick him to beat to many of the top tier in any of those divisions.
     
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  9. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Looks like you let your eyes do the talking for you. Old Don Familton recently done an article stating that he thought Bernard Hopkins had the best fundementals of any fighter he'd seen since the post world war II era. He's seen them all in the gym and at ringside. Laguna, Bivins, Louis, Duran, Arguello, Johnson, etc. That certainly proves he's a man who doesn't let his youthful years come flooding back to distort his mind. It would be easy for him to say "today's fighters never done it like the old timers from the 40's and 50's".
     
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  10. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I was watching a different fight than the commentators, with the exception of Kellerman. Max was pointing out that Marquez was doing more than just hanging in there.

    I thought Marquez won the 1st round, I had the fight even after 6, and had Marquez winning the last two before the stoppage.
     
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  11. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    You'll be at least 60 then?
     
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  12. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Marquez looked at his most vulnerable on the ropes. But even when he was there he was firing back and was on even terms at least.
     
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  13. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. I didn't say Diaz was more effective, just that he was the aggressor. Like rekcutnevets, I felt like the commentators didn't know what the **** they were talking about. Marquez seemed in control to me and seemed to be doing exactly what he wanted to do. Even when he was against the ropes, where, like you say, he was firing back and also evading a lot of Diaz' punches. Diaz certainly made Marquez uncomfortable, and I had them about even in terms of rounds, but at no point after the second round did I feel like he was winning or was going to win the fight.
     
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  14. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    A great comeback. He was helped tremendously by the cut on Diaz.
     
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  15. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    the most skilled fighter in boxing today.
     
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