Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Johnny Famechon

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  1. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you also had famechon losing to harada, so that makes his case even worse.
     
  2. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Have you ever heard of the old adage "styles make fights"? Because in this matchup it sertainly applies. Even if you think JMM is the greater fighter, stylistically Famechon is all wrong for him.
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Which rounds did you think Marquez won clearly and convincingly?

    I don't think there were that many actually, becuase I think you could make an argument that Pac won rounds 4,7,8,9,10 and 12.

    I gave Pac rounds 1,2,7,10 and 12. I had the 4th even.
     
  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some Johnny Famechon highlights to aid the discussion.

    Check the fight with Saldivar in particular to see what trouble Johnny causes with his jab and good movement:


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    Watch the second video to see what a good infighter Famechon is and how good defensively he is as well:

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  5. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Raging Bull, you know Sanchez is my boy but in the past I've singled out Marcel and Pedroza as possible foils for Sanchez (although I'm not going as far as saying they beat him. Sal always found a way.). I could see Famechon being trouble too. I've only seen Marcel twice against Duran and Arguello. In those two fights he seemed to be hurt and/or gas badly at some point in the fight. Was that a trait of his or more based on who he was in with?

    To not get totally off track, I'd say Marquez is greater than Famechon but agree this could be the worst possible style matchup for him. I'd favor Famechon.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    marquez is a better fighter but it is a bad style match up so a close win for famechon
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    Why is Marquez a better fighter in the first place? Stylistically Famechon is a foil for him, but I don't believe Marquez would've been any more successful than Famechon in that era anyway.
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i just think marquez is a great fighter who would be in the top 5 at his weight in any era
     
  9. Sweet Pea

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    I think he'd lose to Saldivar, Winstone, Legra, Famechon, and Ramos of that particular era, as well as a young Laguna and older version of Jofre and Harada.

    Marquez is a very good fighter, one of the best Featherweights of the era, but I think calling him great is a step too far, especially in comparison with all of the past Featherweights.
     
  10. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    If you have seen twelve Marquez fights and perhaps only two of Famechon's, then it's perfectly feasible to be more impressed with Marquez. Especially if the brief footage you viewed of Famechon wasn't convincing and impressive enough to have him over a superb techinican like Marquez. If a DVD career set of Famechon was as readily available as whats on offer regarding Marquez things could be absored more fully.

    It's human nature.

    Reading books and carefully studying a fighters record to evaluate him is one thing, but it's only part of the jigsaw.


    GPater11093, how much of Famechon have you seen?
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i have saw afew fights about 3 cant remeber who against though and 1 was against willie pep

    to be fair i havent seen alot of famechon so am basing my answer on what i ahve saw
     
  12. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That fight against Willie Pep was Ray Famechon, the uncle of Johnny Famechon.
    Ray Famechon was a very decent fighter in his own right.
     
  13. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah, that was definitely not Johnny Famechon that fought Willie Pep, that was before than Johnny's time. Based on that, I'm pretty sure you're bullshitting about having seen multiple Johnny Famechon fights outside of the highlights sweet_scientist just posted.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i actually have seen a few of johnny famechon