Juan Manuel Marquez

Future HOF no doubt, great technician and boxer, huge heart



That should be enough said right there, but tell me why are so many folks putting this dude on such a HIGH pedestal? Folks want to hate on lil floyds resume but his still shits on this


Before people start getting all emotional and start to nag, by STRICTLY going on paper, things would beg to differ about how high of a pedestal folks are putting him.


His first fight, he lost

His second loss came to Freddie Norwood

Fought a great battle with Manny and showed a lot of heart, but in actuality, was lucky to leave with a draw and not the L, had the judge correctly counted his score card (0-0-1)

Instead of fighting a rematch right after, he beat Salido and Polo but then went on to lose to Chris John and for that fight, got enough money to buy a mini-meal (hope people see the metaphore)

Beat Marco (after manny, whom many already said was out of it)

Fought another great battle with manny again, but to show no W (0-1-1)

Had trouble with a washed up Casamayor

Was getting an ass kicking from Baby bull, before he was able to show that heart and knock him out

Got an ass whoopin from lil Floyd

Beat Katsidis (but who has he really beaten)

Fought Ramos (who)

and recently, lost yet again to Manny (0-2-1)

Besides his 3 great battles with manny (not even a styles make fights type thing, I say he's just that Frazier to Ali type thing) on paper, just doesn't seem that strong

Who else has this dude beat to make people put him on such a high pedestal.

It's his recent fight with manny that are making people praise this dude like no other

Before his fight with manny, "he belong's no where above 135"

After, "he can compete and beat all these guys"

I mean be real, if he could've, don't you think he would've. Giving props to someone for having a great fight (with someone who he's supposed to have his number) doesn't really translate for how he'd do, best way to have known, is if he did it, but, he didn't. Before his fight with manny there were a lot of people he could've fought, yet he chose to fight the guy in which he know's he has his number (yet still can't seem to get a W)


Another note, Why doesn't he want to fight morales? not even talking about before, how about right now


for the folks who think i'm straight dissin, go back to the top and look what i've said about him in that first line. This is simply asking the question why is he on such a high pedestal (flavor of the month?) when STRICTLY LOOKING on paper, it really isn't that beefed up

 

Look deeper, as in who?

Yea I know his first fight was a dq, but because folks like to bring up old stupid **** like torrecampo or castillo for lil floyd, I thought why can't I do it here too

Ok, so he took it easy on casamayor, so, good for him, casamayor mustve really been a pos then if you need to take it easy...who the f goes into a fight and has to "take it easy", that right there should be a clear sign that dude isn't fighting any good opposition if he needs to "take it easy"

You didn't answer the question of "why is he on such a high pedestal" when given the look of him on paper, it isn't that strong, you said look deeper, but who am I looking for?

Where are those guys u mentioned now, who did they beat really

 

so that's why people put him on such a pedestal?

folks want to talk boxing, yet they want to put him #2/3 p4p when he's had nothing or recent to show for it (beating Ramos and losing to manny?)

If folks were really bein real then ward (if he gets passed froch) should be above him

 

this is dudes greatest hits, according to hbo
manny
jaca (wtf)
marco
manny
diaz
lil floyd
diaz

that's kinda f'ed up that a dude's greatest hits, out of the 6 they showed, it got him losing 2 and drawing another, greatest hits? really?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjZm6-i8dxc[/ame]

 

great post

instead of attempting to answer the question you quickly assume the position of "jmm is better than pac"

you know this has nothing to do with manny, yet you bring up his name

I don't have to deal with anything, the dude is 0-2-1 as far as paper goes, it's you and many other's who need to accept the fact that he didn't get the W

"Pac's steroid strength" (side note: yo bozo, and these are the one's you want to have boxing talks with, this dude clearly didn't see what was being asked then quickly posted some garbarge bs, and yet you get mad at me for when i use a certain name to give someone, when I don't even have the intention of putting them down, unlike this *** right here?)

 

how am i hating, the first thing i began with was praise

i simply asked a question about why do people have him so high on a pedestal when on paper, his resume isn't as beefy, and I was also asking to show me who sticks out on his resume

lil floyd still has those names on his resume though, and besides manny, who else do YOU think stands out,

whats up with the insults?

(side not: how bout this bozo, talking boxing, yet still getting insulted)

 

no argument in how good he is/was, the point was to hear what other's (who had him on such a high pedestal) would say given his resume

so far, only you've supplied some possible reasoning, while others went a different route

max actually used morales and duck in the same sentence