Juan Manuel Marquez's Place in History

Agreed! :good

 

He will be remembered as the guy who gave Pac hell. Other than that he won't be remembered for anything else. His resume outside of Pac is good but nothing to really stand out.

 

You're wrong.

When you compare Marquez's accomplishments to theirs, it's not even close.

Olivares is one of the best bantamweights ever, but he didn't have the same success at featherweight.

Sanchez was only relevant for a few years at featherweight where he beat up on a smaller Gomez (first fight at featherweight) and Nelson (a late minute replacement who gave Sanchez hell for 15 rounds).

JMM has arguably had the best multi-weight success out of all the Mexican boxers who've ever laced them up. He's been tremendous from featherweight-welterweight.

Arce and Morales are the first ever to win titles in 4 weight classes. However, their wins in the fourth weight class are rather questionable.

Had JMM been given the official victory over Pacquiao last month, he would've been the first Mexican to win legit titles in 4 weight classes.

What makes JMM even more special is the fact that he's a 38 year-old career featherweight now campaigning at 140-47. That's unheard of. Historians rave about Foreman winning the heavyweight title at 45 and Hopkins' great longevity today. What JMM is currently doing is just as impressive IMO.

Based on his multi-weight success, quality of opposition, overall skills, and great longevity, I believe one can make a case for JMM as the second best Mexican fighter of all-time.

 

resume wise below pac


skill wise above pac

he will be remembered for his intelligence and the greatness he has showed facing top level opposition at all his weight classes with his great counter punching ability and the guts to duke it out if need be. He will also be remember for giving PAC 3 great fights were he was = if not better then him.

He will also remain in boxing for a long time, as I see after boxing is done he will continue being in the sport as either one of these Commentator/Analyst/Trainer/ we shall always remember him as one of Mexico's most technically gifted fighter and with great intelligence.

 

:good:good:good Only if the judges would have gotten it right and politics were not in the way of the actual outcome....

 

I am not sure, but if objectivity has to do with it he will be seen a little overrated in his prime. He still never beat Pacman and lost to John and in a landslide to Mayweather, whom if he were as great as people said he should have done a little better. Did he win a round?

 

He didn't get the benefit of the doubt against Pacquiao in fights 2-3 because Pacquiao was the money fighter, backed by the powerful promoter. Forget what the record books state. Objective boxing fans and historians know the deal.

JMM only lost to John because of home cooking. How did you score that bout? I gave John 2-3 rounds. There was also the BS point deductions too.

What other featherweight went on to rule at welterweight? Not many, let me tell you that. Armstrong. Pacquiao? Until he defeats Floyd, we cannot say he matched Armstrong's accomplishment.

Mayweather is the only fighter to ever convincingly defeat Marquez and that was only because of the huge size disparity, reach, Mayweather purposely coming in over the agreed upon limit, etc.

 

He'll be remembered as both an ATG and one of the most aesthetically pleasing fighters to watch of his era. Anytime Pacquiao's name is brought up (and it'll be often), they'll have to mention his kryptonite as well.

 

Absolutely wrong!!!! Pac overcompensates for his lack of technical abilities due to his speed of foot and hand and power. His skills have progressed but Pacquiao will never be as technically proficient as JMM just as Marquez will never be as fast as Pacquiao.

 

Nicely put.

 

JMM will be remembered as a ****ing CRYBABY. Cried robbery when he lost to Chris John and to Pac twice. Still a great boxer though. Had he accepted defeat like a man he'd be in higher status to the fans perspective. Once again, a ****ing crybaby. :deal

 

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