Juan Marquez - Potential Top 100 P4P?

No for me. I really dont feel he 'won' the two fights against Pacquiao, they were both very close and could have gone either way, in fact I had Pacquiao winning both by a single point. Has the talent but just doesnt have the big wins necessary for top 100, theres more deserving guys imo.

 

don't do lists myself but here are my points for consideration:
who are the other atg's on his resume?
barrera - old
casamayor - nearly dead
pac - i felt pac won the first clearly and edged the second. more importantly, the judges and the history books have jmm as 0-1-1 with pac.

 

You have to be joking.

 

That's your point? What does age have to do with anything? You don't judge a fighter's condition on his age, bur rather his performance. Marquez was still clearly an elite fighter at that stage, while Casa was clearly already over the hill. He'd looked like complete **** in his last two fights against mediocre fighters, while Marquez had just come off an excellent performance (which most thought he won) against the best fighter in the game.

I suppose you consider the Jones/Hopkins matchup a pretty even one at this stage as well. After all, Jones is younger.

 

I havent got top 100 list so I don't know but I have a feeling he might squeek in. Many including myself had him beating Pacquaio twice, who many claim to be the best of this era. At Featherweight he's arguably the best featherweight from 1997-2006. He was avoided by Hamed, Barrera and Morales at featherweight. All of his losses at his natural weight were close and could be scored to him with the probable exception of Norwood who was another excellent avoided fighter. From 1997-2006 he fought many Ring Rated contenders, unifying 2 titles, drawing for the Linear title. 2007 onwards the big fights against Hall of Fame Opponents - Barrera, Pacquaio 2, Casamayor, Diaz (not HOF) and Mayweather. These all came past his prime when he was 33-35 but MAB and Casamayor were further past his prime and past his best weight. Still he arguably won all these fights (minus FMJ), although I had Barrera beating him (however I'm a massive MAB fan and I may have just inadvertadly preferred his work as a result). Even though they are past their prime they are still great scalps. Whats more important he cemented his place as Linear and Number 1 Champ in his third weight class by beating arguably the other top 2 champions/titlists at the weight. At 35/36 he may not be done despite having fought at the top10 contender level for 12 years and may continue to solidfy his legacy at 135 or 140.

From this era alone I'd probably rate him below Barrera and Pacquaio but maybe above Morales but in fairness to him you could even rate him above them all Pacquaio who many will probably rate top 20 of all time when hes done.

 

Why would you rate him above Morales, considering that Morales himself beat Pacquiao, whilst the only other losses he has in his prime are to Barrera, who you also think beat Marquez (and when he was past his best to top it all), and he actually beat Barrera too, and arguably didn't lose a fight until he was past his prime, whilst not losing to guys like Norwood in his prime?.

 

Both were past their best by that stage for sure, but Casamayor had one foot in the grave. His FIGHT with Katsidis was very good, but his PERFORMANCE was not. And of course he had already looked a dead man walking against Santa Cruz, so his trajectory was nothing but south. Marquez, although looking a little shopworn himself, was not deteriorated like Casa.

 

How much?

 

Its aaight.

But Casa had looked all types of shite against Santa Cruz, Pearson, Diamond and Corrales. It was clear was he really starting to fade.

Rocky sorta gave him his chin on a platter and paid the price.

Some people dismiss it as nothing, some think its a win over a prime Casa..Im in the middle.