Juan Urango wins UD and takes IBF Title including a 5 minute round

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  1. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Paulie vs Zab.....

    Jeez.....
     
    Beeston Brawler, Jan 30, 2009
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  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    A chance of doing what? Grabbing on and trying to last 12?

    He'd get a pounding in those early rounds to the point he'd be fatigued and beaten, the fight would be beyond repair. He couldn't hurt Zab, he couldn't put pressure on him to take him out of his rhythm.

    How can you outbox a guy just as quick and skilled as you, that punches 10X harder, with only one hand? There is no logical way he can win that fight. Zab knows how to lose a fight, but you have to bring something that is going to make him lose it.
     
    TFFP, Jan 30, 2009
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  3. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think Zab would beat Paulie.

    But for Paule taking a liking to Hatton's love wand, it was all over in the 2nd.

    Zab is probably a harder one punch hitter.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Jan 30, 2009
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  4. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    How have you any idea how effective Zab is at 140 over the course of a 12 round fight? Or how much damage he could inflict in those first rounds? Again, I'm not saying Paulie is favorite, but that fight is winnable (admittedly based on Zab tiring at 140) and certainly the biggest fight out there at the moment for him. Its a big fight and the winner would be near the front for a title shot, even if based largely on the "names" of the two fighters.
     
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  5. GazOC

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    Hey!! I didn't say it would be a fight for the ages, just that it would be big fight in NY....;)
     
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  6. Beeston Brawler

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    I could stage a similar fight in my back yard, about 16x20ft......

    I have friends with similar characters to both...
     
    Beeston Brawler, Jan 30, 2009
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  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Zab has fought at 140 before...and he was never really a big welterweight, hence he can still make this weight even after all the years. His stamina is just the same I would have thought, maybe even better through increased training, not great, but neither is Malignaggi's. What's all that holding? Especially after Zab lays a beating on him in rounds 1-5, that **** does not give you a second wind.

    Judah would whoop his ass, lets be serious. You even admit this would happen early on when Zab's at his best. You think Malignaggi is really going to come on strong later in the fight after taking that from a powerful puncher, if he even survives that is? What's he going to do then, circle around throwing pitter pat jabs whilst being open to punches? That's going to win him the fight? You are going to win a fight by getting hit, a lot, an returning fire with jabs?

    Judah would be a huge favorite in this fight.
     
    TFFP, Jan 30, 2009
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  8. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Double jab baby
     
    Beeston Brawler, Jan 30, 2009
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  9. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I know Zab fought at 140 he won a world title there but that was a fair while ago, he could well struggle for stamina at that weight these days. You know I don't rate PM particulary highly but I also think Zab is a little all style and no substance these days at 147 and 7 lbs is a lot to lose at this stage in Zabs career.
     
    GazOC, Jan 30, 2009
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  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    A double jab okay.

    Cory Spinks was like a bigger, two handed, less defensively vulnerable version of Paulie Malignaggi. That is the closest comparison, and Cory scraped a decision and received his one and only KO loss to Zab Judah. Judah was better then, but Malignaggi is a whole lot worse than Spinks.
     
    TFFP, Jan 30, 2009
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  11. Tuffnutz

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    Judah blows hot and cold but when he's on form he's dangerous as hell.

    Paulie has no power and would not take Judah's bombs at 140.

    The fight would be a mismatch.
     
    Tuffnutz, Jan 30, 2009
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  12. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    **** off, "mismatch". Zabs a gatekeeper at 147, has suspect stamina and hasn't made 140 (or stopped an opponent) in 5 odd years. Sure he's favourite but talk of "mismatch" and "Zabs bombs" is just a complete exageration.
     
    GazOC, Jan 30, 2009
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  13. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I think it would look like a mismatch in reality far more than it does on paper. All the things you say are valid considerations, but when it comes down to it and these two are touching gloves it does seem very difficult to get enthusiastic about what Malignaggi can do to win.

    I've lost all hope of him competing with anybody at 140 unless he can find a way to use his right hand. He can't beat Holt, Bradley, Torres etc like that. No way no how. You better have an extraordinary defence and movement if you are going to rely on jab and move for 12 rounds. He doesn't.
     
    TFFP, Jan 30, 2009
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  14. Tuffnutz

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    What the hell does Paulie have to beat Judah? :lol:

    The Judah that fought Clottey, Cotto and Floyd would easily deal with Paulie.

    Judah would have no respect for powder puff Paulie and Judah hit's like a mother ****er, make no mistake about that.

    Real speed and power regardless of his record.

    Zabs record does'nt tell you how fast and hard this guy really hit's.

    I still want to see Judah vs Hatton because i think Judah would KHTFO.

    Hatton never fancied it though. :deal

    As or Paulie, well who give's a flying ****? :lol:
     
    Tuffnutz, Jan 30, 2009
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  15. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Yeah, cos Zab loves being pressured!

    :hi:
     
    Beeston Brawler, Jan 30, 2009
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