juanma vs pensola-predictions

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by boricua_cotto1, Apr 1, 2009.


  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

    42,502
    401
    Jun 14, 2006
    I have no issue with that. I would be very surprised if Lopez succumbed to Penalosa' power shots, but you did say Penalosa does not have power. I don't want to make a huge issue out of it, because you probably didn't mean anything by it, but Gerry has pop.
     
  2. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    27,148
    6
    Jun 30, 2007
    The way you can be wrong Kill, is if you're predicting a Pensalosa (Lennox) KO win. Otherwise anything is open for this fight.

    I still think it'll go the way of Pernell vs Tito with it being close to the 4th quarter of the fight where the youth speed and power gives JuanMa the edge.
     
  3. truewarrior

    truewarrior Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,284
    0
    Feb 3, 2008
    I think you guys are overating Penalosa he hasnt looked great in any of his past fights and was loosing the Gonzales fight I know I was there. His age and his weight will be his downfall against JuanMa sorry im predicting 8 round KO
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

    42,502
    401
    Jun 14, 2006
    Nobody is overrating Gerry Penalosa.

    Whenever a fighter starts getting some recognition, and believe me, Gerry has not received too much of that throughout his career, then we start throwing around the word "overrate".

    The point I and a few other posters are making is, Penalosa has the style to pose problems to the young, inexperienced, and relatively untested, Juan Manuel Lopez.
     
  5. scatterbrain

    scatterbrain Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,867
    0
    Dec 7, 2008
    I have seen his losses. cho in jo if i am not mistaken. and takashima if I am not mistaken also. these where the jhonny gonzales types. tall and lean and relied on the jab jab and spear like straight once in a while.

    headbutts also contributed to a few losses which diminished gerry's vision. cleary, fighters like these frustrate gerry since he is naturally the shorter man and hence shorter reach, he is always at a disadvantage when it comes to jabs.

    hence, the jab jab clinch strategy. gonzales flaw was that he kept on throwing a sort of overhand right which gerry was able to take advantage of. jabs and runners frustrate gerry the most.
     
  6. bulakenyo

    bulakenyo Am I a boxing fan yet? Full Member

    8,356
    20
    Jun 2, 2006
    As I said, he has trouble with boxers with long reach and know how to use it. That's always been his problem.

    His body type (short, stocky, compact) is even kinda small for the 115 pound division, his natural weight class. What more for 118 and 122.
     
  7. bulakenyo

    bulakenyo Am I a boxing fan yet? Full Member

    8,356
    20
    Jun 2, 2006
    I think it's Masamori Tokuyama. Those fights, along with In joo Cho, made me literally wanna pull my hair out, watching it. It was so frustrating how he could not close the gap and get inside when he was trying to rally back.
     
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

    42,502
    401
    Jun 14, 2006
    All of his losses, except for De Leon (a fight I felt he could have easily been given the decision in), took place in the opponents backyards. Interesting.

    Irrespective of what transpires on the 25th, Penalosa deserves mad respect for taking on a guy like Juan Manuel Lopez.
     
  9. scatterbrain

    scatterbrain Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,867
    0
    Dec 7, 2008
    thanks for the correction. as much as a niponggophile that i am, i forgot that guys name.

    frustrating really. it is quite difficult to run after a guy who does not want to get caught. it is difficult to fight a guy who came to the ring to waltz and not trade punches.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

    42,502
    401
    Jun 14, 2006
    Nobody is overrating Gerry Penalosa.

    Whenever a fighter starts getting some recognition, and believe me, Gerry has not received too much of that throughout his career, then we start throwing around the word "overrate".

    The point I and a few other posters are making is, Penalosa has the style to pose problems to the young, inexperienced, and relatively untested, Juan Manuel Lopez.
     
  11. sweetscientist

    sweetscientist Yori Boy Die Hard Full Member

    956
    1
    Mar 18, 2009
    it's impossible for me to bring myself to go on record in favor of penalosa pulling another upset in a topsy-turvy career of strange underperformances and underdog superheroics. juanma just looks so strong, so sharp, so sturdily quick, such a complete offensive arsenal for being as young and relatively inexperienced as he is. i mean, i cannot believe how coolly the kid is just blowing good fighters out of there without ever seeming to have to put his shoulder to the wheel really to get it done. how he will do against truly elite fighters nearer to their prime than the rejuvenated penalosa remains to be seen.

    but looking toward this upcoming fight of theirs, i have to go with juanma by wide unanimous decision. i know this will rile a lot of people utterly offended by the idea that lopez might have to go the distance in this one. but gerry penalosa is a true grit, full grown and battle tested man (maybe battleworn, too) who has never been stopped and i will be surprised if a kid as young as lopez is the one to do it. to illustrate this concept i would like to direct your attention back to juan diaz v. lakva sim, who no one thought would (or could) take the storming young dynamo all the way. lopez can box, he doesn't need to get his guy out of there. i expect gerry to be hurt, numerously, but getting him out of there is a whole other order of business.

    i know penalosa lost a clear decision to daniel ponce de leon, i saw the fight. and i watched lopex blow out ponce de leon inside a round. but, as we all know, the math of ring records gets very fuzzy and is full of strange variables when being tallied in order to make a fight prediction.

    the x-factor values here, i think, are that gerry penalosa knows this game so well, nothing is going to surprise him and knows this is his swan song. i am very sure that, though he will leave everything in the ring and make juanma take it to the next level every step of the way, gerry likely knows he loses, one way or the other. i think he is the kind of proud and excellent fighter that will find a way to take the kid the distance as a kind of final victory snatched from the jaws of defeat...a possible end to a long career that he might be able to live with. gerry's career has been all about defying expectations, for better or worse, so why stop now in these latter days of his.
     
  12. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

    18,163
    2
    May 24, 2006
    Gonzales was winning in that fight not because he was landing anything but because he was outpunching the relatively gun shy Penalosa (that is one of his weakness because he seems to let go of his fist only if it lands or connects especially against bigger opponents). After the fight, there was not even a mark on Gerry's face.

    Penalosa has power in both hands. There is a youtube video of him KOing out a korean fighter with a left and right hand body shots throw consecutively.
     
  13. scatterbrain

    scatterbrain Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,867
    0
    Dec 7, 2008
    clearly, a juan ma loss in this fight will send his stock crashing. i mean just come think of it, a young gun fighting an old lion like gerry who is pushing 37 if I am not mistaken.

    at the start, they probably think that this was a low risk high reward fight in the sense that juanman can add a legitimate champ on his list of victims.

    but in the 54 fights, i have never ever seen gerry get KO. if there was one, i probably missed it. sure my mexican idol lost to pac and suffered his first KD and stoppage at the hands of pac and hence this is a distinct possibility.

    but the defensive skillset of gerry penalosa in close quarter battle is probably the best i have seen in the last 20 years.
     
  14. hellblazer

    hellblazer All-Time Great™ Full Member

    5,509
    0
    Feb 25, 2006
    hopefully it will be Peñalosa by UD.
     
  15. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    19,549
    0
    May 6, 2007
    I actually think this fight will be very one sided with a mid round stoppage.
    Although im not so sold on Juan Ma since i dont see much of him he is prolly on the level on johny gonzalez and gonzalez was giving Penalosa hell before he got caught with that body shot. I think he had won almost every round up until the stoppage.
    Penalosa is ok but too small for a big physical fighter like Juan Ma. Unless Juan Ma is a front runner there is no way he loses this. I say about round 9TKO at the latest.