Judging and Ring Generalship: The Emperor Has No Clothes

What are you talking about? :huh I was making a comparison to help illustrate a point. I never said what happened in Maidana vs. Broner had anything to do with how Mayweather vs. Maidana should be scored.

 

You act as though 'ring generalship' is the only place where this happens.

Generally, fighters with a reputation for being 'big punchers' get more credit for 'clean punching' than their opponents. You could argue that such reputation carried Pac to victory in Marquez II and III, where every landed Pac left hand as some damaging blow.

Come on.

 

ESB does not equal 'general public'.

The Cotto fight is only a 7-5 fight for Mayweather haters and Puerto Ricans (no offense). You had folks wanting give Cotto rounds because of foot shuffles and a bloody nose.

The Maidana fight was not really a 7-5 fight either, unless you give tons of credit for constant fouling and high activity.

And your entire position is based on the fallacy that 'ring generalship' somehow accounts for the gap in scorecards in Mayweather's favor. It ignores how superior his clean punching and defense were in those fights.

 

Judges should not be scoring based on expectation's but we all know it happens. At least they don't score completely on expectation as many people do.

 

But I didn't say 'volume puncher'. I said 'big punchers'.

 

Here is YOUR QUOTE from the OP:

Please show us in this paragraph where you stated 'ring side scoring'.

I'll wait.

 

If you understand ring generals as guys who systematically take advantage of every opportunity offered, cope with all kinds of situations which may arise, foresee and neutralize an opponent’s method of attack, force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful, baby, I can clearly point out Floyd Mayweather, Andre Ward and Bernard Hopkins. I wouldn't say that they are particularly aggressive but they are effective when fighting out of defense along with Rigo and Wlad or on offense, Manny Pacquiao extremelly effective offensively but triple G, Kovalev, Stevenson 2. Then, defense is up to Mayweather and Hop.

 

floyd came out and stood his ground. i didn't see floyd trying to use his feet and box. he stood right in front of maidana from the very beginning.

 

That is one way to see it. One other way is Mayweather setting the bait and bringing Maidana to the ropes and keep him there. Whether if he tried to pivot Chino off the ropes and was unseccesful, one thing is fo'sure, he landed a whole lot of body punches and uppercuts and short left hooks in his way out that Chino had to eat and eat he did and well. Taking rights to the body too and at will but you may say, well, he took that as well. Question the main, he didn't defend himself, he just took it and took it and took it, oh yes, and drove Floyd to the ropes.

 

Here's the link to the post I responded to. http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=16210508&postcount=11

YOU then injected talk about 'ring side scoring'. So I'll ask again:

Please show us in this paragraph where you stated 'ring side scoring'.

I'll wait.

Where I from, only queers and molestation victims talk about 'skeeting' with other grown men. Is that how they get down where you grew up?