Judging them on RESUME ONLY, who is top of the three - JONES, HOPKINS or TONEY?

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  1. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I voted Jones, His resume gets underrated tremendously here... All you hear people say is cherry picker, ducked fighters, garbage men ect. Having moved up from junior middle to win a belt at heavyweight is a HUGE accomplishment, and to drop back down from heavyweight in your very next fight to regain your Light Heavyweight belts is a great accomplishment that gets underrated and you don't hear much about.

    Combine that and also having the two dominant performances over the very two fighters we are comparing resumes with seals the deal for me.

    I do believe an argument can be made for each fighter here, it is close and all three have very excellent resumes.
     
  2. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    IMO, Toney's campaign at heavyweight is more impressive than Jones one fight against Ruiz.
     
  3. Kid Cuba

    Kid Cuba Boxing Junkie banned

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    Resume only...I'd say Jones.
     
  4. DINAMITA

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    I should add to this, Hopkins's mw resume is often a bit underrated too. When you consider the manner in which Bernard dispatched guys like Keith Holmes (who stopped future smw world champ Richie Woodhall) and Antwun Echols (who blitzed Charles Brewer in 3), he was chopping down some solid comp in his title reign.
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    You can read my thoughts on Toney's resume on the first page.

    I genuinely believe that Toney's top 3 wins (Nunn, Jirov, McCallum II - I also gave JT the 1st McCallum fight by a nose) are better than Hopkins' and Jones' top 3.

    The Nunn win is underrated because Second To's career floundered a bit after that, but at the time he was a sensation who had KO'd the brilliant Kalambay in one and was being spoken of as a future great and one of the world's elite.

    The Jirov win is one of the best of the decade IMO.

    And Mike McCallum was a superb mw in the early 90s, he would have beaten any mw of the past 20 years except the three men who are the subject of this thread.

    But the reason I give the edge to Hopkins over Toney is that 1995-2001/2 Toney did very little, and his wins over Ruiz and Rahman at heavy have subsequently been overturned.

    Toney is definitely up there IMO, but just doesn't quite make the winner.

    JMHO though - I love James Toney!
     
  6. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You've got a point there. If he'd listened to his body instead of his pride and his wallet, and retired after the first Tarver fight, we'd all still have a much different perspective on Roy.

    But he didn't, and in this particular comparison, that hurts him.
     
  7. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Purely based on the quantity of good wins, I think it's Toney, and quite clearly to be honest, although it's close between all 3.


    Other factors come into play such as the way in which they won and the circumstances (I think these are important factors when judging the quality of a resume, and not just quality of skillset), such as Hopkins pulling off one-sided masterclass showings against Tarver and Pavlik while in his 40's, or Roy totally outclassing Toney and getting a very clear win over Hopkins themselves, and of course losses should be counted as well.

    So, wins/losses taken into consideration, how convincing the wins were, and other outside circumstances, I'll say Jones, just by a small margin over the other two though.
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    Although the vote doesn't reflect it, I really think there is only a razor-thin margin between all three. On different days I could give different answers. Right now, I'm saying Hopkins 1st, for the reasons already stated on pages 1 and 4 of this thread, but I cannot argue with anyone who has Jones 1st or whatever. This was the reason I made the thread, so so close.
     
  9. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I agree.

    Very close call between all 3, probably just comes down to a few personal preferences when judging each man's resume that decides it.
     
  10. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you got us all worked up for nothing? :twisted:

    J/k man. I had the same thought myself... very, very close, all three.
     
  11. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    How people can vote Hopkins over Jones is beyond me ?? Jones resume is 10 times better and lets not forget that Jones always fought bigger guys the same can't be said for Hopkins ! Plus Jones has wins over both Toney and Hopkins its not even close !
     
  12. DINAMITA

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    What's Jones's 3rd best win? 4th?

    Is Jones's top 5 wins stronger as a group than Hopkins's?

    It's perfectly valid to say that Jones's resume is better, but it's just stupid to say it is "10 times better".
     
  13. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    10 times is a streetch but Jones 'win over Toney pretty much eclipses Hopkins best win in Oscar ,Tito Tarver and Pavlik .


    Oscar being a smaller man and Jones regardless of his losses already held a win over Tarver ! Outside of that all you have is Trinidad .That was Hopkin's best win.

    And I don't hold the Pavlik win in high regard because 1 I expected that outcome and 2 Pavlik only had one meaningful fight with Taylor twice ..:good I can't hold that too high because who I Pavlik really ?Outside the current middleweight champ he's barley proven.
     
  14. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    James Toney stayed at Heavyweight..!!!!!!! and still no one has really really beaten him.
     
  15. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    I beleive Peter beat him twice ..